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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby Penguins Knight on Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:38 pm

pens_CT wrote:You really want a guy making 6.8 million getting single digits in even strength goals and a defensive liability? The Penguins were lucky to move the contract. He should have been moved a couple of years earlier after they beat Nashville in the finals. He might have had some value at that point.


The Penguins lost Kessel's point production. Galchenyuk failed to produce points. Zucker is present and has his opportunity and necessity to produce.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby Jim on Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:43 pm

pens_CT wrote:
Penguins Knight wrote:
Skatingpen wrote:I know not Pens related but I was watching the Yotes game and man has Phil’s play really dropped off. He was a minus 21 with only 14 goals in 70 games this year and he just looks disinterested. I feel for him.


How much better would the Penguins be this season if Kessel was not traded to the Coyotes before the season?


You really want a guy making 6.8 million getting single digits in even strength goals and a defensive liability? The Penguins were lucky to move the contract. He should have been moved a couple of years earlier after they beat Nashville in the finals. He might have had some value at that point.


There is no reason to think that his offense would be the same here as it is in Arizona. He was a point a game guy the last couple of years, and frankly out-hustled Malkin every shift. Can show up the lumbering oaf... he is score... ha ha so funny, Geno's great (turnover)
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby Penguins Knight on Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:09 pm

Skatingpen wrote:Not sure they would be if this is the Kessel they would have. Could you imagine the people on here watching his effort and lack of production??


No one would have acquired Kessel if he remained with the Penguins this season and his numbers decreased sharply. On the flip side, Kessel could have had a strong productive season and his contract could have affected trade decisions.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby penscup on Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:34 pm

Jim wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Penguins Knight wrote:
Skatingpen wrote:I know not Pens related but I was watching the Yotes game and man has Phil’s play really dropped off. He was a minus 21 with only 14 goals in 70 games this year and he just looks disinterested. I feel for him.


How much better would the Penguins be this season if Kessel was not traded to the Coyotes before the season?


You really want a guy making 6.8 million getting single digits in even strength goals and a defensive liability? The Penguins were lucky to move the contract. He should have been moved a couple of years earlier after they beat Nashville in the finals. He might have had some value at that point.


There is no reason to think that his offense would be the same here as it is in Arizona. He was a point a game guy the last couple of years, and frankly out-hustled Malkin every shift. Can show up the lumbering oaf... he is score... ha ha so funny, Geno's great (turnover)


Geno is score. Career highs of 113, 109, 106, and 98 pts. and 3 Cups by the lumbering oaf.
Kessel hit 92, 82 twice, and 80, and only finally won something when he was traded here.
Geno is a franchise player who never complains about being overshadowed by an equally great franchise player on the same team. Kessel is a nice winger who quit on two teams basically cuz he had a crappy attitude and couldn’t handle the pressure of being a leader.
Comparing the two is indeed laughable.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby pens_CT on Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:54 pm

penscup wrote:
Jim wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Penguins Knight wrote:
Skatingpen wrote:I know not Pens related but I was watching the Yotes game and man has Phil’s play really dropped off. He was a minus 21 with only 14 goals in 70 games this year and he just looks disinterested. I feel for him.


How much better would the Penguins be this season if Kessel was not traded to the Coyotes before the season?


You really want a guy making 6.8 million getting single digits in even strength goals and a defensive liability? The Penguins were lucky to move the contract. He should have been moved a couple of years earlier after they beat Nashville in the finals. He might have had some value at that point.


There is no reason to think that his offense would be the same here as it is in Arizona. He was a point a game guy the last couple of years, and frankly out-hustled Malkin every shift. Can show up the lumbering oaf... he is score... ha ha so funny, Geno's great (turnover)


Geno is score. Career highs of 113, 109, 106, and 98 pts. and 3 Cups by the lumbering oaf.
Kessel hit 92, 82 twice, and 80, and only finally won something when he was traded here.
Geno is a franchise player who never complains about being overshadowed by an equally great franchise player on the same team. Kessel is a nice winger who quit on two teams basically cuz he had a crappy attitude and couldn’t handle the pressure of being a leader.
Comparing the two is indeed laughable.


Jim can’t help himself. When you say something negative about Kessel he doesn’t defend 81, he uses the Malkin sucks defense. Kessel will never be close to a point per game player again. It was obvious with his refusal to keep himself in condition, that once 81’s game started to decline it was a going to be a steep drop. I’m glad he’s on another team’s payroll.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby Jim on Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:14 pm

penscup wrote:
Jim wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Penguins Knight wrote:
Skatingpen wrote:I know not Pens related but I was watching the Yotes game and man has Phil’s play really dropped off. He was a minus 21 with only 14 goals in 70 games this year and he just looks disinterested. I feel for him.


How much better would the Penguins be this season if Kessel was not traded to the Coyotes before the season?


You really want a guy making 6.8 million getting single digits in even strength goals and a defensive liability? The Penguins were lucky to move the contract. He should have been moved a couple of years earlier after they beat Nashville in the finals. He might have had some value at that point.


There is no reason to think that his offense would be the same here as it is in Arizona. He was a point a game guy the last couple of years, and frankly out-hustled Malkin every shift. Can show up the lumbering oaf... he is score... ha ha so funny, Geno's great (turnover)


Geno is score. Career highs of 113, 109, 106, and 98 pts. and 3 Cups by the lumbering oaf.
Kessel hit 92, 82 twice, and 80, and only finally won something when he was traded here.
Geno is a franchise player who never complains about being overshadowed by an equally great franchise player on the same team. Kessel is a nice winger who quit on two teams basically cuz he had a crappy attitude and couldn’t handle the pressure of being a leader.
Comparing the two is indeed laughable.


I wasnt comparing the two. I just said the lazy fat one consistantly out hustled the other... and he didnt like it.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby Cow_Master66 on Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:16 pm

What is the proof that Kessel doesn’t keep his body in shape? Just believing the Tor media with the hot dogs?

How is he an inch taller and 2 Lbs heavier than Crosby but somehow a lard***?
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby IntangibleBeer on Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:57 pm

That's what I'm talkin' about! :thumb:
Pens played a 60 minute game and the Captain came through early.
Murray played out his ***; deserved the shut-out. Refs were doing great until the non-call just before the Habs scored. WTF?
FLPensFan wrote:-- Will still continue to pound this home until it happens....Penguins need to bring in a PP specialist coach. Someone who continually managed a top 10 power play in the league. Sullivan and Recchi are clueless, and seem to be giving into the demands of where players want to play, instead of what might produce best. More movement and cycling of players seems to be a key element I notice on more successful PP teams.

Yep, another 5 on 3 and another goose egg. Got to get the powerplay humming if they want to go deep.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:20 pm

IntangibleBeer wrote:That's what I'm talkin' about! :thumb:
Pens played a 60 minute game and the Captain came through early.
Murray played out his ***; deserved the shut-out. Refs were doing great until the non-call just before the Habs scored. WTF?
FLPensFan wrote:-- Will still continue to pound this home until it happens....Penguins need to bring in a PP specialist coach. Someone who continually managed a top 10 power play in the league. Sullivan and Recchi are clueless, and seem to be giving into the demands of where players want to play, instead of what might produce best. More movement and cycling of players seems to be a key element I notice on more successful PP teams.

Yep, another 5 on 3 and another goose egg. Got to get the powerplay humming if they want to go deep.


I just can't see the Pens beating Washington, Tampa or Boston in a 7 game series. To be honest if they win 2 games vs any of those teams ill be shocked.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby longtimefan on Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:12 am

FLPensFan wrote:
-- Will still continue to pound this home until it happens....Penguins need to bring in a PP specialist coach. Someone who continually managed a top 10 power play in the league. Sullivan and Recchi are clueless, and seem to be giving into the demands of where players want to play, instead of what might produce best. More movement and cycling of players seems to be a key element I notice on more successful PP teams.


I agree they've struggled, but they had 14 shots last night. The most thy had during any game this season was 11 twice. So we've got to give Price his due as being a big part of the reason. I'm mystified with why they seem to have decided it's time to integrate McCann onto the PP. And why not give Marleau a little time on the 2nd unit? He's the biggest winger on the team, and they could use a little size once in a while.

You're suggestion about bringing in a PP specialist brought to mine that they have access to perhaps the greatest PP mind of all time. :)

https://www.nhl.com/penguins/news/eddie ... e/c-699736

* POWER-PLAY MIND
A lot of coaches have something in particular they’re known for. Johnston is known for being one of the finest power-play coaches in the game.

During his time with Pittsburgh, he instituted basketball “picks” into his power-play formation. He learned that back in his playing days with Boston through his buddy Tommy Heinsohn, the legendary Celtics player and coach.

“The Celtics were the biggest basketball team back then (and we knew) Tommy Heinsohn and those guys,” Johnston said. “We were over having a few beers with Tommy a few times and they did a lot of picking in basketball as they do today. We sat there and he showed me a little bit and I went over to practice a couple of mornings with the basketball guys to see how they ran the picks.

“And I ran picks all the time in hockey and we broke the record when I was coaching in Chicago, and then I broke my own record three times after that here. But I ran picks all the time. Scotty Bowman was a close friend of mine. He was coaching in Buffalo when I was living in Montreal. He would come to me in the summertime and say, you know when you set those picks? And I would say Scotty, you know we don’t run picks. Guys run into our players all the time (laughs). He would get upset a little bit. But I would run picks all the time.”

Johnston added that Pat Boutette and Terry Ruskowski were his key players in terms of setting picks on the ice.

“They’d be my low guys for picks. They knew the picks right away,” he said.”That means one guy was always open if you ran the picks properly. If you ran them down low or you ran them with the high guys. That was very important. I watch some clubs today and every so often they’ll set picks. The referees let them go. As long as you can camofluage it a little bit like they’re running into you as you’re turning around and blocking them out, that’s the key.”


https://records.nhl.com/records/team-re ... one-season

In '82-83, the Pens set a then record 99 PPG in a season in EJ's 1st year as coach. It's still the 21st highest total. He was also coach of the '95-'96 team that is currently 7th all time with 109 goals. He was the GM of the '87-'88 team who is tied for 3rd all time with 111 PPG, and he was relegated to asst GM in '88-'89 when the Pens set the all time record of 119 PPG.

Not really relevant to the current team, but made me think of it when you mentioned a PP specialist. And maybe points out to some younger fans that EJ wasn't as incompetent as many want to suggest. He had great powerplays.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby Penguins Knight on Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:55 am

Game 3 is today. The Penguins taking a 2-1 series lead with the win is necessary. What worked in Game 2 needs to work again in Game 3 with improvements. (1) Geno has to score goals. He has zero goals on 15 shots in two games. (2) Power plays need to produce goals. They have been struggles for the Penguins before and during the season.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby IntangibleBeer on Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:05 am

thehockeyguru wrote:
IntangibleBeer wrote:That's what I'm talkin' about! :thumb:
Pens played a 60 minute game and the Captain came through early.
Murray played out his ***; deserved the shut-out. Refs were doing great until the non-call just before the Habs scored. WTF?
FLPensFan wrote:-- Will still continue to pound this home until it happens....Penguins need to bring in a PP specialist coach. Someone who continually managed a top 10 power play in the league. Sullivan and Recchi are clueless, and seem to be giving into the demands of where players want to play, instead of what might produce best. More movement and cycling of players seems to be a key element I notice on more successful PP teams.

Yep, another 5 on 3 and another goose egg. Got to get the powerplay humming if they want to go deep.


I just can't see the Pens beating Washington, Tampa or Boston in a 7 game series. To be honest if they win 2 games vs any of those teams ill be shocked.


Maybe you're right, but it's a process. As the playoff games unfold, we're going to see progression in players, in team cohesion, and unexpected events (good and bad). It's not a game of chess, of static capabilities. I'm happy with the Pens' progress in Game 2. It wasn't pretty but they won. What's been true of every Penguin team that's won a cup (and I've watched them all) is that they find another gear.

We'll see. Nothing is written in stone yet.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:01 am

IntangibleBeer wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
IntangibleBeer wrote:That's what I'm talkin' about! :thumb:
Pens played a 60 minute game and the Captain came through early.
Murray played out his ***; deserved the shut-out. Refs were doing great until the non-call just before the Habs scored. WTF?
FLPensFan wrote:-- Will still continue to pound this home until it happens....Penguins need to bring in a PP specialist coach. Someone who continually managed a top 10 power play in the league. Sullivan and Recchi are clueless, and seem to be giving into the demands of where players want to play, instead of what might produce best. More movement and cycling of players seems to be a key element I notice on more successful PP teams.

Yep, another 5 on 3 and another goose egg. Got to get the powerplay humming if they want to go deep.


I just can't see the Pens beating Washington, Tampa or Boston in a 7 game series. To be honest if they win 2 games vs any of those teams ill be shocked.


Maybe you're right, but it's a process. As the playoff games unfold, we're going to see progression in players, in team cohesion, and unexpected events (good and bad). It's not a game of chess, of static capabilities. I'm happy with the Pens' progress in Game 2. It wasn't pretty but they won. What's been true of every Penguin team that's won a cup (and I've watched them all) is that they find another gear.

We'll see. Nothing is written in stone yet.


I completely agree, nothing is written in stone. I'm just looking at this from a realistic point of view. We are playing very close games with the 12th place team in the East who sold off players a few months ago.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby longtimefan on Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:53 am

thehockeyguru wrote:
IntangibleBeer wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
IntangibleBeer wrote:That's what I'm talkin' about! :thumb:
Pens played a 60 minute game and the Captain came through early.
Murray played out his ***; deserved the shut-out. Refs were doing great until the non-call just before the Habs scored. WTF?
FLPensFan wrote:-- Will still continue to pound this home until it happens....Penguins need to bring in a PP specialist coach. Someone who continually managed a top 10 power play in the league. Sullivan and Recchi are clueless, and seem to be giving into the demands of where players want to play, instead of what might produce best. More movement and cycling of players seems to be a key element I notice on more successful PP teams.

Yep, another 5 on 3 and another goose egg. Got to get the powerplay humming if they want to go deep.


I just can't see the Pens beating Washington, Tampa or Boston in a 7 game series. To be honest if they win 2 games vs any of those teams ill be shocked.


Maybe you're right, but it's a process. As the playoff games unfold, we're going to see progression in players, in team cohesion, and unexpected events (good and bad). It's not a game of chess, of static capabilities. I'm happy with the Pens' progress in Game 2. It wasn't pretty but they won. What's been true of every Penguin team that's won a cup (and I've watched them all) is that they find another gear.

We'll see. Nothing is written in stone yet.


I completely agree, nothing is written in stone. I'm just looking at this from a realistic point of view. We are playing very close games with the 12th place team in the East who sold off players a few months ago.


It's playing out the way we knew it might. From the day it first became a rumor the Pens may play the Habs, people have pointed to Carey Price as the wild card. The Pens lead the league with 39 1/2 shots per game, while allowing 31. Which ranks them 9th out of 24 teams. They've outplayed the Canadians badly. But goaltending is the great equalizer. If you make mistakes that end up in your net, recovering isn't a given.

The wild card in hockey is a hot goaltender. Sometimes they come out of nowhere, like Halak. It's even tougher when you run into a future hall of famer. The only thing Price hasn't won is a Cup. On this team, he'll eventually crack. It just depends on if it's now or later. Otherwise, you just have to beat him. As long as he's playing at this level, the games will be close. The Habs have a below average team. But they have a superstar in the equalizing position. He may not be what he once was, but Price is capable of stealing a series from any team. The best tact may be to limit an offensively challenged team to very few chances. With the talent level difference, the games will likely play out like Monday's. Eventually, they'll get one or two behind him. Crosby early, Zucker late. They've won five cups. None of which have been easy. Sometimes, that first series is the toughest.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:11 pm

I don't agree, hot goaltending is an excuse. The PP has been trash, Malkin can't score and the bottom 2 lines are generating zero chances. Sid and his line can carry you past the 12 seed thats it. You get swept against better competition just like last year.

The teams progress has been a foot and they need to go a mile to get where they need to be.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby pens_CT on Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:23 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:I don't agree, hot goaltending is an excuse. The PP has been trash, Malkin can't score and the bottom 2 lines are generating zero chances. Sid and his line can carry you past the 12 seed thats it. You get swept against better competition just like last year.

The teams progress has been a foot and they need to go a mile to get where they need to be.


The roster looks good on paper, too bad the game is played on ice.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby penny lane on Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:29 pm

FYI, pens game currently listed to begin at 4pm on Friday.

ONCE the pens are in a best of 7, they get to their game. This best of 5 is bizzarro.
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Re: SCP20 Game 2 vs Habs - Thoughts from the Morning After

Postby Cow_Master66 on Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:13 pm

Think it’s actually 4:00 Friday
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