Ohio_Pens_fan wrote:I really don't think Letang or Malkin are going anywhere given that both have no-movement clauses and both want to stay/retire from here. I think everyone is going to have to come to that realization, whether you are pro or con regarding trading one of them.
Pruezy11881 wrote:Ohio_Pens_fan wrote:I really don't think Letang or Malkin are going anywhere given that both have no-movement clauses and both want to stay/retire from here. I think everyone is going to have to come to that realization, whether you are pro or con regarding trading one of them.
But on the other hand, everyone should be looking at the recent examples of hanging on to players too long... Detroit, Chicago, LA, and even Anaheim. They held onto core players too long out of loyalty and their teams went down the crapper for awhile. I personally would rather slowly say goodbye to these guys and stay competitive rather than the league doormat.
Ohio_Pens_fan wrote:Pruezy11881 wrote:Ohio_Pens_fan wrote:I really don't think Letang or Malkin are going anywhere given that both have no-movement clauses and both want to stay/retire from here. I think everyone is going to have to come to that realization, whether you are pro or con regarding trading one of them.
But on the other hand, everyone should be looking at the recent examples of hanging on to players too long... Detroit, Chicago, LA, and even Anaheim. They held onto core players too long out of loyalty and their teams went down the crapper for awhile. I personally would rather slowly say goodbye to these guys and stay competitive rather than the league doormat.
No disagreement here, but the NMC players are holding all the cards. Someone's gonna have to be pretty creative to convince them to want to leave.
largegarlic wrote:My usual summer argument against trading Letang is that the Pens have no one close to replacing him internally, couldn't expect to get a top pairing RD back in a trade, and didn't have any plausible targets on the UFA market who could be top pairing RDs. Now things are a bit different, though. We're still very thin at RD internally (especially with Addison gone), but Marino might be a viable top pairing guy. And there are two UFAs in Pietrangelo and Barrie who are legit top pairing guys.
That said, I feel like Letang was better in the playoffs this year than the past couple years, even if he wasn't a real difference maker, so I feel less of an urge to trade him unless a pretty good return can be had.
dark_forces wrote:largegarlic wrote:My usual summer argument against trading Letang is that the Pens have no one close to replacing him internally, couldn't expect to get a top pairing RD back in a trade, and didn't have any plausible targets on the UFA market who could be top pairing RDs. Now things are a bit different, though. We're still very thin at RD internally (especially with Addison gone), but Marino might be a viable top pairing guy. And there are two UFAs in Pietrangelo and Barrie who are legit top pairing guys.
That said, I feel like Letang was better in the playoffs this year than the past couple years, even if he wasn't a real difference maker, so I feel less of an urge to trade him unless a pretty good return can be had.
I agree. Any Letang deal would be tricky. Many fans don't realize how much of the load he actually carries. Few defenseman could step in and do that.
I wonder how much Barrie could be had for given he had a down year and looks miserable in Toronto? I imagine he would be less expensive than Pietrangelo.
KG wrote:I would love to see a Letang trade that maxes sense. Yes he was better in the playoff but he was 4 games 0-0-0 -2 . He was playing not to give up anything .
I like Pietrangelo! But he’s also 30 and will get a boatload !
ville5 wrote:I'd like to sign Haula for 3C. If you can sign him, trade Horny+ for LD and push MP down.
Sign or trade for a couple 3rd pair D.
Zucker- Crosby- ×××
Jake- Malkin- Rust
McCann(?)- Haula- xxx
×××- Blueger- Simon
Dumo-Risto
××××- Marino
Pettersson- ×××××
Jarry
DeSmith (for now)
ville5 wrote:I'd like to sign Haula for 3C. If you can sign him, trade Horny+ for LD and push MP down.
Sign or trade for a couple 3rd pair D.
Zucker- Crosby- ×××
Jake- Malkin- Rust
McCann(?)- Haula- xxx
×××- Blueger- Simon
Dumo-Risto
××××- Marino
Pettersson- ×××××
Jarry
DeSmith (for now)
RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:We were the 3rd oldest team in this postseason. Malkin's golden days are well behind him and each year brings more decline in aging players. Expecting a bounce back is silliness. There is no shortcut here. If we truly think Letang and Geno are staying next year, your only option is to bury their minutes and hope you make the playoffs with cheaper and younger players.
Under no circumstances does it make any sense at all for the Pens to bring in any players over 28 this offseason. Zero. As people look at different scenarios, you can start by eliminating that "quick fix" older player.
lemieuxReturns wrote:I don't know if i have said this 100 or 200 million times over the years but "I really hate our defense".
If we are going to accept mediocracy in our defense then I am fine with that... but we should not be paying an outrageous sum for it as well.
What is sad is I am not sure if we let half our defense go this summer that they would even have a job in the NHL. Who would want Johnson? Pettersson? Or even Schultz? Certainly not at their current cap hits. If we want the quality of defense we have been getting over the years we should just pick guys up off the scrap heap and go from there. Its funny how good a kid like Marino looks on a team full of overpaid scrubs.
I am still laughing at the fact we locked in Petterrsson over 4 million for the next 5 seasons. WTH?
Pensfan4life8771 wrote:I think Rust is untouchable. He brings a lot of passion and energy to his game and is still relatively young. Also think Zucker is safe.
Here’s what I think we need:
Line 1: Zucker - Crosby - FA
Line 2: Jake - Geno - Rust/Horny
Line 3: Lafferty - X - Rust/Horny
Line 4: ZAR - Teddy - Tanev
With regards to forwards I think you flip Jason/Jake and possibly Rust/Horny. Putting Rust to third line gives me flexibility on finding a center for that 3rd line. I think unless you move Hornqvist you need him in top 6. Think him with Geno/Jake could do some damage.
DP:
Dp1: Dumo - Letang
Dp2: Peterson - Marino
DP 3: x - Ruhwedel
Extra POJ
Jarry / DeSmith
I think you let all RFAs and UFAs walk except lafferty/Jarry/ahl depth. I wanted MCann but he doesn’t fit now. Simon I think you upgrade line 1. I could see flipping Hornqvist to team for 3C maybe?
dark_forces wrote:I’m wondering about bjugstad and his penguin future. Should there be any consideration to keeping him as the 3rd line center?
I’ve been interested in players on expiring contracts and he’s supposedly finally going to be healthy. Does it make sense to at least keep him to begin the season and see how he performs?
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