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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby DelPen on Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:53 pm

Wyopen wrote:Can non-playoff teams make trades between each other now?

I don’t see why they can’t. I think even playoff teams can too but you can’t add anyone new to your roster.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Jim on Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:54 pm

Wyopen wrote:Can non-playoff teams make trades between each other now?


Any team can make a trade right now, the players just can't play until next season.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Wyopen on Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:14 pm

Thanks Delpen and Jim.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Skatingpen on Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:18 pm

I guess I am in the minority here on the comments made by JR. pretty classless to call out Schultz, a guy who helped win 2 cups here. I get that he can’t bad mouth Johnson if he plans on trading him but that parting shot to Schultz was BS. JR needs to look in the mirror a little here and take some responsibility for his crappy trades the last couple years and the lack of any type of youth/depth in the organization. Just my opinion
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Ericf on Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:22 pm

Skatingpen wrote:I guess I am in the minority here on the comments made by JR. pretty classless to call out Schultz, a guy who helped win 2 cups here. I get that he can’t bad mouth Johnson if he plans on trading him but that parting shot to Schultz was BS. JR needs to look in the mirror a little here and take some responsibility for his crappy trades the last couple years and the lack of any type of youth/depth in the organization. Just my opinion


Agree. He’s done this before. The coaches and the GM need to share the blame in front of the fans, and he should never identify individual players if he wants players to sign here. He’s talking about getting younger but wasn’t it him who brought in this year 28 year old Zucker with four more years on his contract, 28 year old Sheary and 40 year old Marleau?
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Southern Fan on Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:23 pm

Throw out the third line, Sheary and the bottom pairing and who was really the problem ? Even average goalies like Murray win series. Misuse of team by the coaches, period.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby 100565 on Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:29 pm

Skatingpen wrote:I guess I am in the minority here on the comments made by JR. pretty classless to call out Schultz, a guy who helped win 2 cups here. I get that he can’t bad mouth Johnson if he plans on trading him but that parting shot to Schultz was BS. JR needs to look in the mirror a little here and take some responsibility for his crappy trades the last couple years and the lack of any type of youth/depth in the organization. Just my opinion


I was gonna post a somewhat disagreement. It was not classy; however, the Pens paid Schultz $5 mil + $1mil bonus this year compared to JJ $3.25mil....so expectations of Schultz should be higher...then I checked JJ's contract...he was paid $4mil this year. Yikes! Still $6mil compared to $4mil, one should have different expectations. Still not classy though.


$10 mil paid out to 3rd pairing of JJ and Schultz who would have gotten out-played by Ruh and POJ for <$2mil. that's a problem
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Daniel on Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:50 pm

100565 wrote:
Skatingpen wrote:I guess I am in the minority here on the comments made by JR. pretty classless to call out Schultz, a guy who helped win 2 cups here. I get that he can’t bad mouth Johnson if he plans on trading him but that parting shot to Schultz was BS. JR needs to look in the mirror a little here and take some responsibility for his crappy trades the last couple years and the lack of any type of youth/depth in the organization. Just my opinion


I was gonna post a somewhat disagreement. It was not classy; however, the Pens paid Schultz $5 mil + $1mil bonus this year compared to JJ $3.25mil....so expectations of Schultz should be higher...then I checked JJ's contract...he was paid $4mil this year. Yikes! Still $6mil compared to $4mil, one should have different expectations. Still not classy though.


$10 mil paid out to 3rd pairing of JJ and Schultz who would have gotten out-played by Ruh and POJ for <$2mil. that's a problem


I think JR’s biggest problem the last few years is the same as RS and even Craig Patrick before him. Creating a team with no competition for roster spots. Creating a team so expensive that you end up playing a veteran and rookies get a chance because of injury.

Look at the last 2-3 training camps. Other than maybe 4th line, 3rd pairing, healthy scratches, how often has this team had competition for actual roster spots? I might have missed something, but I remember thinking that no one from WBS would be able to push for playing time because they didn’t want to sit a $3m plus player.

Looking at the 2020-21 roster, they have 10 signed forwards and 4 RFAs.

Guentzel-Crosby-???
Zucker-Malkin-Rust
???-Bjugstad-Hornqvist
ZAR-Blueger-Tanev

On defense they have 6 signed and 1 RFA.

Letang-Dumoulin
Marino-Petterrsson
Johnson-Ruhwedel

Months before next season and only 2 spots (3 presuming Ruhwedel won’t be in the starting 6)? That’s not much competition, especially when they’ll likely sign all 5 RFAs to create an even biggest logjam. Too many long term contracts and too many comfortable players.

I get that you want roster stability, but going into a season with a roster this set removes hunger in my opinion. Want to know where the hunger is? It’s gone because the Penguins have become a stagnant organization that has their roster all but set during the offseason rather than during training camp.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby brwi on Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:19 pm

That was a lot of GM-speak and that's expected, as is throwing blame on Schultz since he's UFA and Pens had no intention of keeping him around. Schultz had a pretty good game 1 actually, but was indeed bad after that but he wouldn't have been mentioned if he was under contract for next season. I guess it's a JR ego thing that he defends and mentions Johnson. Why bother?

Younger? Hungrier? Difficult to keep both Murray and Jarry? Hard to do much because of the cap situation? Yes, yes, yes and yes. Moving on......
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Maestro on Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:25 pm

After reading the presser I think JR wouldn't mind a coaching change, particularly with Laviolette available.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby ville5 on Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:48 am

-“I know everybody picks on Jack and they have for a long time, but I think, in that pairing, Justin Schultz had a lot more to give.” :shock: :shock: :shock:
(Wow, just placing all the blame there on Schultz. Yes, he played bad, but my god man acknowledge some failures by Johnson. I guess chalk this up to Schultz walking as a UFA while Johnson is still on the roster, but, still.... :face: )

They both sucked. I find it kind of interesting he didn't say Jack had more to offer. Does that mean he finally realizes that JJ sucks?
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Cow_Master66 on Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:45 am

The entire core has NMC so it doesn't really matter what the GM says because he can't move any of them unless they want to go...Can anyone come up w/ a reason why any of them would want to leave? :shock:
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby ville5 on Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:02 am

Cow_Master66 wrote:The entire core has NMC so it doesn't really matter what the GM says because he can't move any of them unless they want to go...Can anyone come up w/ a reason why any of them would want to leave? :shock:

I could see Hornqvist unhappy with his reduced role. Personally, I think he can contribute to a top 6 somewhere. A contender looking for goals, toughness and leadership should be interested. If they have the space.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Jim on Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:25 am

Cow_Master66 wrote:The entire core has NMC so it doesn't really matter what the GM says because he can't move any of them unless they want to go...Can anyone come up w/ a reason why any of them would want to leave? :shock:


Because ownership and management wants you to leave... I am sure that it would be great playing for a team that doesn't want you.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby DelPen on Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:45 am

Jim wrote:
Cow_Master66 wrote:The entire core has NMC so it doesn't really matter what the GM says because he can't move any of them unless they want to go...Can anyone come up w/ a reason why any of them would want to leave? :shock:


Because ownership and management wants you to leave... I am sure that it would be great playing for a team that doesn't want you.

Exactly this, it will ensure they go to a team and situation that’s good for them at the sake of a possible lower return. But the point of moving a guy like Hornqvist would be to clear some salary and try to get younger, not to replace his best case value. Kessel was moved and we got a pretty bad return compared to what we had to give up to get Zucker who isn’t as good a player.

Fortunately I think we can make some of these moves because we have Murray or Jarry we can package and we will have cap space to take back a short term kind of iffy contract. Just need to find some teams that can fit these players into their roster and cap.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby brwi on Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:48 am

Cow_Master66 wrote:The entire core has NMC so it doesn't really matter what the GM says because he can't move any of them unless they want to go...Can anyone come up w/ a reason why any of them would want to leave? :shock:

Letang has a modified NMC/NTC and has a 12 team no-trade. He cannot be waived and sent to the minors or traded to 12 certain teams. The other 18 he can. Crosby/Malkin are full NMC.

Letang even at his age and contract would likely be a lot easier to move than Malkin simply because there are 12 teams you can talk to that do not need his approval. You can always try with the other 12 like was done with Phil and see if the player vetoes it. At 7.5mil and a cap that went up as expected pre-COVID, he'd be fairly easy to move. Now, not as easy but I think it could be done for a 1st. RHD that eat up minutes and are skilled are high value.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby DelPen on Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:56 am

The thing with a guy like Letang is that the league thinks he’s a legit #1 defensemen. When you listen to the national broadcasts they rely on consensus opinion on players and Letang is always praised except when Peeair calls him out because he probably actually knows something about every single player. Murray still has an illusion of an elite goalie that might play in our favor too.

Despite what the Pens management and media schills except for Borque say, the entire league knows Jack Johnson sucks and even if he actually starts playing well at 33 years old it won’t matter, he’s tainted.

If we were to take a big contract back too Letang would be very easy to move to any team that doesn’t have a guy who plays almost 30 minutes a game in on PP and PK. His stats make him look better than what he is on the ice when you watch him play 90 games a year.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby KG on Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:22 am

JR didn’t say for certainty that Sully will be back next year. Either that means ownership is still weighing options, or he’s gone. Found that interesting.

It’s hard to look for that drive and energy when the team stops playing with drive and energy when the “core” is healthy. What does that even mean? Bring in more 3rd and 4th line young kids? Is that really going to bring the hunger back??
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby ahawk9 on Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:53 am

I found it interesting that Sullivan said "no pattern" and Rutherford said "pattern" when referring to the last couple of playoff exits. Maybe there's a little crack in the relationship, although I expect Sullivan to be in Pittsburgh at the start of next season.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Penspal on Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:55 am

Pensfan4life8771 wrote:--“I know everybody picks on Jack and they have for a long time, but I think, in that pairing, Justin Schultz had a lot more to give.” :shock: :shock: :shock:
(Wow, just placing all the blame there on Schultz. Yes, he played bad, but my god man acknowledge some failures by Johnson. I guess chalk this up to Schultz walking as a UFA while Johnson is still on the roster, but, still.... :face: )

Thought that initially as well but I think he is just trying to save some of his value so he can hopefully move him.



YES, someone gets it. GMJR has got to toe the line in some regards. In the area's where he still has control, he has to make sure not to make the situation worse by dumping on his own players. And with respect to Schultz, his offense was lacking... powerplay... lacking... big body that didn't hit. Schultz deserves criticism, and while JJ ALSO does, GMKJR can't crap on his own asset (nor admit to the HUGE mistake of his own on that contract - remember, changes coming could include him).
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Penspal on Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:56 am

ville5 wrote:--"My concern is when things don't go our way, we start to fizzle out and we don't have that same drive and determination that we should have and need to have. Based on that, I'm looking at everything now."

That includes part of the core. But then he defends the core. :shrug:


BUT, he left the door open a crack... "if the right offer comes", which is GM media speak for, let the offers come!
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:58 am

DelPen wrote:The thing with a guy like Letang is that the league thinks he’s a legit #1 defensemen. When you listen to the national broadcasts they rely on consensus opinion on players and Letang is always praised except when Peeair calls him out because he probably actually knows something about every single player. Murray still has an illusion of an elite goalie that might play in our favor too.

Despite what the Pens management and media schills except for Borque say, the entire league knows Jack Johnson sucks and even if he actually starts playing well at 33 years old it won’t matter, he’s tainted.

If we were to take a big contract back too Letang would be very easy to move to any team that doesn’t have a guy who plays almost 30 minutes a game in on PP and PK. His stats make him look better than what he is on the ice when you watch him play 90 games a year.

If the Penguins were to move Letang, I keep coming back to Letang for Nylander, with the Penguins retaining 1M on Letang.
You follow that move up by sending Murray to Buffalo for Montour plus.

Toronto still is in need of a #1 overall defenseman. Even though they have a lot of young players, their window is short because of the money they have tied up in Marner, Matthews, Tavares, and Nylander. They are going to need to move one of them. Letang isn't young, but, he would give them a better shot for the next two years...which is all they might have with their cap issues.

Getting Montour, who Buffalo is said to be wanting to move, would allow Marino to step up to #1, and Montour to take his 2nd pairing spot. We all know GMJR tried to get Montour a year or so ago, with a believed Maatta for Montour type trade.

Of course, GMJR isn't pursuing trading Letang, and, I doubt Toronto is going to come to Pittsburgh with this, so, it's all moot. I think the 20-21 season is make or break for Rutherford and Sullivan. Rutherford needs to do something big. Not Kessel level big (but that would be nice), but adding Derek Grant's, Matt Cullen types isn't going to cut it. He needs to clear out some salary. He needs to get a solid return for Murray. He needs to make this team younger but still competitive. Sullivan needs to make the playoffs and have a team that has a pulse when they get there. If this team isn't putting in effort during the season, Sullivan may not last until April. And another short playoff exit should seal Sullivan's fate....if not Rutherford's too.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Penspal on Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:58 am

Penguins Knight wrote:
Pensfan4life8771 wrote:--“I know everybody picks on Jack and they have for a long time, but I think, in that pairing, Justin Schultz had a lot more to give.” :shock: :shock: :shock:
(Wow, just placing all the blame there on Schultz. Yes, he played bad, but my god man acknowledge some failures by Johnson. I guess chalk this up to Schultz walking as a UFA while Johnson is still on the roster, but, still.... :face: )

Thought that initially as well but I think he is just trying to save some of his value so he can hopefully move him.


The first step is Schultz walking. The way I see that, Schultz's contract is up and he is open to anyone.

The second step is resolving Johnson. Johnson is picked on because he is not the best defenseman and has a record of making costly errors. Either he departs in a trade, or he clears waivers and find himself with Wilkes-Barre/Scranton.


I see JJ being the highest paid #7dman in the league. PK specialist :twisted:
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Pensfan4life8771 on Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:41 am

FLPensFan wrote:
DelPen wrote:The thing with a guy like Letang is that the league thinks he’s a legit #1 defensemen. When you listen to the national broadcasts they rely on consensus opinion on players and Letang is always praised except when Peeair calls him out because he probably actually knows something about every single player. Murray still has an illusion of an elite goalie that might play in our favor too.

Despite what the Pens management and media schills except for Borque say, the entire league knows Jack Johnson sucks and even if he actually starts playing well at 33 years old it won’t matter, he’s tainted.

If we were to take a big contract back too Letang would be very easy to move to any team that doesn’t have a guy who plays almost 30 minutes a game in on PP and PK. His stats make him look better than what he is on the ice when you watch him play 90 games a year.

If the Penguins were to move Letang, I keep coming back to Letang for Nylander, with the Penguins retaining 1M on Letang.
You follow that move up by sending Murray to Buffalo for Montour plus.

Toronto still is in need of a #1 overall defenseman. Even though they have a lot of young players, their window is short because of the money they have tied up in Marner, Matthews, Tavares, and Nylander. They are going to need to move one of them. Letang isn't young, but, he would give them a better shot for the next two years...which is all they might have with their cap issues.

Getting Montour, who Buffalo is said to be wanting to move, would allow Marino to step up to #1, and Montour to take his 2nd pairing spot. We all know GMJR tried to get Montour a year or so ago, with a believed Maatta for Montour type trade.

Of course, GMJR isn't pursuing trading Letang, and, I doubt Toronto is going to come to Pittsburgh with this, so, it's all moot. I think the 20-21 season is make or break for Rutherford and Sullivan. Rutherford needs to do something big. Not Kessel level big (but that would be nice), but adding Derek Grant's, Matt Cullen types isn't going to cut it. He needs to clear out some salary. He needs to get a solid return for Murray. He needs to make this team younger but still competitive. Sullivan needs to make the playoffs and have a team that has a pulse when they get there. If this team isn't putting in effort during the season, Sullivan may not last until April. And another short playoff exit should seal Sullivan's fate....if not Rutherford's too.


So something along the lines of this?
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1837035

Also I really think if we can move Bjustad/JJ we will open enough of cap space to sign a solid 3C and 3P DMan. I really think if we tag a prospect to JJ we can move him. Bjustad I think we just buyout since its only one year.
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Re: GMJR Press conference quotes

Postby Jim on Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:59 am

Johnson option cap hits:

Minors: $2.175, $2.125, $2.125
Buyout: $1.167, $1.167, $1.917, $917K, $917K, $917K
Difference: $1.008, $958K, $208K, -$917K, -$917K, -$917K
So buying him out saves $1M the first two years, negligible the 3rd, then costs $1M for three years. The $1M the next two years does not make it worth it to me. The three out years of $1M is just too much.

I also like the idea of talking him into retiring and signing as a high paid scout or something like that. He could still get paid well but not count against the cap.

Actual salary:
Minors: $3M, $3M, $2.25M ($8.25M total)
Buyout: $916,667, $916,667, $916,667, $916,667, $916,667, $916,667 ($5.5M total)

How much do scouts normally make?
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