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Postby FLPensFan on Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:17 pm

So, now that we have heard Rutherford's press conference, I figured I'd take another look at the roster


Top trade candidates:

1. Patric Hornqvist - He is not part of the core. He'll be 34 on January 1st. He is no longer a top 6 player, and he is an expensive 6M for 3 more seasons. The NMC makes him difficult to move, but, Rutherford needs to explore if there are any takers for him. Can't give him away, but, if he can move him without having to give away extra assets to move him, it needs to be considered.

2. Bryan Rust - WTF FLPensFan???? Seriously. Rust just had a career year. He is signed for the coming season and one more season, and is 28 years old. He's fast. He's good defensively. He's not young but not old either. He was a point per game player during the regular season, and almost the same during the qualifying round. Why would you want to get rid of that? Well, I don't, but all the reasons I mentioned are all the reasons why other teams might be interested. If his play continues at that rate, he's going to need a new contract at 30 and be a 6M guy...at 30 years old. That's dangerous. I don't force a Rust trade for the sake of forcing a trade. It would have to be the right type of deal. For example, Toronto is going to have to move some big salaries. If Toronto would take Rust and our #1 overall pick for William Nylander....I would strongly consider making that type of move. That would be almost 3.5M in cap savings for the Leafs and still give them a good player in return. Both of those would help Toronto. Nylander is 24, has scored 20 goals twice, 30 goals once, 61 points twice, 59 points once....all in 4 years (he had one bad year and one quarter season). That type of deal would make the team younger. That type of deal, you consider giving up your 1st rounder for an established young player under 25. It would have to be that type of deal for me to consider moving Rust. Probably won't happen, but, GMJR should investigate.

3. Jared McCann - This is a tough one. McCann IS YOUNGER at only 24. Problem is, he's on his 3rd team already and the same issues that dogged him in Vancouver and Florida are now showing up here. Just when you think he's about to break out and becomea solid, consistent player capable of 40-50 points a year and approaching 20 goals, he folds. He was so bad that the "future 3C" was healthy scratched in the playoffs. I think he is going to end up getting a pass, but, if the right deal came along....or if adding McCann to a JJ or Bjugstad deal got rid of them...I could see him gone.

Bjugstad and/or Johnson need to be bought out if they are untradeable. I think GMJR will get there with Bjugstad. I'm not sold that he will go that far with Johnson. At a minimum, unless POJ craps the bed in camp this fall, POJ should be the starter

In-house, the Penguins can realistically add POJ on defense and Poulin up front to help bring in youth. POJ, Marino, and Pettersson would give them half of their top 6 under age 25. Maybe you include Lafferty and Angello in the mix for the 4th line with ZAR. I think the Penguins need to add 1 or 2 more young players higher in the lineup.

If I was Rutherford, I would be looking for a 24-26 year old young center that I can trade for. I would go out and inquire about Chris Tierney of Ottawa, Radek Faksa of Dallas, Sam Bennett of Calgary, Casey Middlestadt of Buffalo, and Alex Kerfoot in Toronto. Out of those guys, I like Tierney, Faksa, and Bennett the best. Faksa and Bennett can play a little physical, which is something the Penguins need to add. I'd like to see a young 3rd line, something like McCann-Bennett-Poulin type of line.

GMJR has his work cut out for him. Can he pull off the right moves, or does this become the never-ending wait for a 3C that turns into Riley Sheahan, or a Derick Brassard acquisition?
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:22 pm

Why would you buy out Bjugstad to me it makes zero sense?

If he plays great. you have a 3C. If not which is more likely you LTIR him for the season and he's gone at the end of next season with no residual cap effect.

Best case is someone trades for him, worst case you ride out the season with him on LTIR
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby Jim on Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:25 pm

Buyouts dont help, ask the Ramgers.
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby Daniel on Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:26 pm

FLPensFan wrote:So, now that we have heard Rutherford's press conference, I figured I'd take another look at the roster


Top trade candidates:

1. Patric Hornqvist - He is not part of the core. He'll be 34 on January 1st. He is no longer a top 6 player, and he is an expensive 6M for 3 more seasons. The NMC makes him difficult to move, but, Rutherford needs to explore if there are any takers for him. Can't give him away, but, if he can move him without having to give away extra assets to move him, it needs to be considered.

2. Bryan Rust - WTF FLPensFan???? Seriously. Rust just had a career year. He is signed for the coming season and one more season, and is 28 years old. He's fast. He's good defensively. He's not young but not old either. He was a point per game player during the regular season, and almost the same during the qualifying round. Why would you want to get rid of that? Well, I don't, but all the reasons I mentioned are all the reasons why other teams might be interested. If his play continues at that rate, he's going to need a new contract at 30 and be a 6M guy...at 30 years old. That's dangerous. I don't force a Rust trade for the sake of forcing a trade. It would have to be the right type of deal. For example, Toronto is going to have to move some big salaries. If Toronto would take Rust and our #1 overall pick for William Nylander....I would strongly consider making that type of move. That would be almost 3.5M in cap savings for the Leafs and still give them a good player in return. Both of those would help Toronto. Nylander is 24, has scored 20 goals twice, 30 goals once, 61 points twice, 59 points once....all in 4 years (he had one bad year and one quarter season). That type of deal would make the team younger. That type of deal, you consider giving up your 1st rounder for an established young player under 25. It would have to be that type of deal for me to consider moving Rust. Probably won't happen, but, GMJR should investigate.

3. Jared McCann - This is a tough one. McCann IS YOUNGER at only 24. Problem is, he's on his 3rd team already and the same issues that dogged him in Vancouver and Florida are now showing up here. Just when you think he's about to break out and becomea solid, consistent player capable of 40-50 points a year and approaching 20 goals, he folds. He was so bad that the "future 3C" was healthy scratched in the playoffs. I think he is going to end up getting a pass, but, if the right deal came along....or if adding McCann to a JJ or Bjugstad deal got rid of them...I could see him gone.

Bjugstad and/or Johnson need to be bought out if they are untradeable. I think GMJR will get there with Bjugstad. I'm not sold that he will go that far with Johnson. At a minimum, unless POJ craps the bed in camp this fall, POJ should be the starter

In-house, the Penguins can realistically add POJ on defense and Poulin up front to help bring in youth. POJ, Marino, and Pettersson would give them half of their top 6 under age 25. Maybe you include Lafferty and Angello in the mix for the 4th line with ZAR. I think the Penguins need to add 1 or 2 more young players higher in the lineup.

If I was Rutherford, I would be looking for a 24-26 year old young center that I can trade for. I would go out and inquire about Chris Tierney of Ottawa, Radek Faksa of Dallas, Sam Bennett of Calgary, Casey Middlestadt of Buffalo, and Alex Kerfoot in Toronto. Out of those guys, I like Tierney, Faksa, and Bennett the best. Faksa and Bennett can play a little physical, which is something the Penguins need to add. I'd like to see a young 3rd line, something like McCann-Bennett-Poulin type of line.

GMJR has his work cut out for him. Can he pull off the right moves, or does this become the never-ending wait for a 3C that turns into Riley Sheahan, or a Derick Brassard acquisition?


Frankly if JR can trade Hornqvist for draft picks I’d do it. Maybe a 3rd/4th and fringe prospect or just a couple of mid round draft picks. Hard part will be finding a team that can handle the cap hit though but who knows.

As for McCann, I wonder if his role on the team moving forward will be at winger. Is it just me or does he seem to produce more as a winger?
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby FLPensFan on Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:30 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:Why would you buy out Bjugstad to me it makes zero sense?

If he plays great. you have a 3C. If not which is more likely you LTIR him for the season and he's gone at the end of next season with no residual cap effect.

Best case is someone trades for him, worst case you ride out the season with him on LTIR

You cannot just LTIR a player because you don't like his play. He has to be medically unfit to play, and that usually requires a league doctor sign-off. There are also downsides to using LTIR...namely, the inability to bank extra cap space towards the trade deadline. It isn't something you want to plan to do right out the gate, unless you are someone desperate like Toronto was this year.

He's often injured. He is literally in Beau Bennett territory in terms of the number of games he has missed over the past several years. If he's healthy, he is on your roster for 4.1M, and that is a HUGE chunk of change for someone who has not produced. He has been a trainwreck ever since the Penguins acquired him. He had injury issues in Florida too. That's the type of high-risk decisions the Penguins need to avoid when they can.

You have one opportunity to buyout a player. Once that window is gone, its done. If Bjugstad is healthy, starts the season, and gets injured or plays like crap, you are stuck with him and his 4.1M eating up cap space for the year. I'd rather jettison him now, open up 3.5M in cap space this year (taking a 600K hit) and deal with the 1.5M cap hit next year.

Tell me, how many times in Nick Bjugstad's Penguin career have you thought to yourself...wow, Bjugstad had a good game tonight?
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby FLPensFan on Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:31 pm

Daniel wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:So, now that we have heard Rutherford's press conference, I figured I'd take another look at the roster


Top trade candidates:

1. Patric Hornqvist - He is not part of the core. He'll be 34 on January 1st. He is no longer a top 6 player, and he is an expensive 6M for 3 more seasons. The NMC makes him difficult to move, but, Rutherford needs to explore if there are any takers for him. Can't give him away, but, if he can move him without having to give away extra assets to move him, it needs to be considered.

2. Bryan Rust - WTF FLPensFan???? Seriously. Rust just had a career year. He is signed for the coming season and one more season, and is 28 years old. He's fast. He's good defensively. He's not young but not old either. He was a point per game player during the regular season, and almost the same during the qualifying round. Why would you want to get rid of that? Well, I don't, but all the reasons I mentioned are all the reasons why other teams might be interested. If his play continues at that rate, he's going to need a new contract at 30 and be a 6M guy...at 30 years old. That's dangerous. I don't force a Rust trade for the sake of forcing a trade. It would have to be the right type of deal. For example, Toronto is going to have to move some big salaries. If Toronto would take Rust and our #1 overall pick for William Nylander....I would strongly consider making that type of move. That would be almost 3.5M in cap savings for the Leafs and still give them a good player in return. Both of those would help Toronto. Nylander is 24, has scored 20 goals twice, 30 goals once, 61 points twice, 59 points once....all in 4 years (he had one bad year and one quarter season). That type of deal would make the team younger. That type of deal, you consider giving up your 1st rounder for an established young player under 25. It would have to be that type of deal for me to consider moving Rust. Probably won't happen, but, GMJR should investigate.

3. Jared McCann - This is a tough one. McCann IS YOUNGER at only 24. Problem is, he's on his 3rd team already and the same issues that dogged him in Vancouver and Florida are now showing up here. Just when you think he's about to break out and becomea solid, consistent player capable of 40-50 points a year and approaching 20 goals, he folds. He was so bad that the "future 3C" was healthy scratched in the playoffs. I think he is going to end up getting a pass, but, if the right deal came along....or if adding McCann to a JJ or Bjugstad deal got rid of them...I could see him gone.

Bjugstad and/or Johnson need to be bought out if they are untradeable. I think GMJR will get there with Bjugstad. I'm not sold that he will go that far with Johnson. At a minimum, unless POJ craps the bed in camp this fall, POJ should be the starter

In-house, the Penguins can realistically add POJ on defense and Poulin up front to help bring in youth. POJ, Marino, and Pettersson would give them half of their top 6 under age 25. Maybe you include Lafferty and Angello in the mix for the 4th line with ZAR. I think the Penguins need to add 1 or 2 more young players higher in the lineup.

If I was Rutherford, I would be looking for a 24-26 year old young center that I can trade for. I would go out and inquire about Chris Tierney of Ottawa, Radek Faksa of Dallas, Sam Bennett of Calgary, Casey Middlestadt of Buffalo, and Alex Kerfoot in Toronto. Out of those guys, I like Tierney, Faksa, and Bennett the best. Faksa and Bennett can play a little physical, which is something the Penguins need to add. I'd like to see a young 3rd line, something like McCann-Bennett-Poulin type of line.

GMJR has his work cut out for him. Can he pull off the right moves, or does this become the never-ending wait for a 3C that turns into Riley Sheahan, or a Derick Brassard acquisition?


Frankly if JR can trade Hornqvist for draft picks I’d do it. Maybe a 3rd/4th and fringe prospect or just a couple of mid round draft picks. Hard part will be finding a team that can handle the cap hit though but who knows.

As for McCann, I wonder if his role on the team moving forward will be at winger. Is it just me or does he seem to produce more as a winger?

For whatever reason, McCann does seem to produce better when he is on the wing. Maybe after a few tries at center, the Penguins will have realized that and keep him at wing all of next year, except maybe if injuries require him to slide over.
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:46 pm

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thehockeyguru wrote:Why would you buy out Bjugstad to me it makes zero sense?

If he plays great. you have a 3C. If not which is more likely you LTIR him for the season and he's gone at the end of next season with no residual cap effect.

Best case is someone trades for him, worst case you ride out the season with him on LTIR

You cannot just LTIR a player because you don't like his play. He has to be medically unfit to play, and that usually requires a league doctor sign-off. There are also downsides to using LTIR...namely, the inability to bank extra cap space towards the trade deadline. It isn't something you want to plan to do right out the gate, unless you are someone desperate like Toronto was this year.

He's often injured. He is literally in Beau Bennett territory in terms of the number of games he has missed over the past several years. If he's healthy, he is on your roster for 4.1M, and that is a HUGE chunk of change for someone who has not produced. He has been a trainwreck ever since the Penguins acquired him. He had injury issues in Florida too. That's the type of high-risk decisions the Penguins need to avoid when they can.

You have one opportunity to buyout a player. Once that window is gone, its done. If Bjugstad is healthy, starts the season, and gets injured or plays like crap, you are stuck with him and his 4.1M eating up cap space for the year. I'd rather jettison him now, open up 3.5M in cap space this year (taking a 600K hit) and deal with the 1.5M cap hit next year.

Tell me, how many times in Nick Bjugstad's Penguin career have you thought to yourself...wow, Bjugstad had a good game tonight?


I understand about LTIR, I am willing to bet at some point next season if Bjugstad is in a Pens jersey he'll have an injury that requires the LTIR.

Being a team that spends to the cap I just can't see them eating 1.5M in cap space next season.

I think there is an NHL that will take a chance on him for 1 season. I think the Pens will be able to make a trade.

The real question is who is out there to replace him?
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby DelPen on Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:48 pm

Only 5 players are over 30 that will be under contact for 20-21 with Geno, Horny, Johnson, Letang and Sid.

Only one that might be able to be traded is Hornqvist and it would be for an equally non-ideal contract but if it’s to a team that has a need for a net front PP specialist and has a RD that is a solid PK guy as a third pairing and is around 26-27 years old then that would work.

None of the UFA’s should be kept. Not a single one. I’m also indifferent to all of the RFA’s outside of Jarry. Rodrigues wasn’t bad but despite having a very good mini camp he doesn’t see game time over McCann, Sheary or Lafferty.

I don’t think you move Rust, Zucker or Jake along with Any of the top 4 D. But I’d rather see Pettersson as a 3rd pair and find a better partner for Marino.

The hardest choice will be which goalie to move and unfortunately it will be Jarry mostly because he would be expected to be signed cheaper and should be able to get a better return for picks and prospects or a young player because he won’t hurt the new teams cap hit as much. I don’t see a lot of teams with a ton of cap space that would want to send us something decent for Murray knowing he will make $6 million or more. It’s a bad situation
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby FLPensFan on Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:34 pm

DelPen wrote:Only 5 players are over 30 that will be under contact for 20-21 with Geno, Horny, Johnson, Letang and Sid.

Only one that might be able to be traded is Hornqvist and it would be for an equally non-ideal contract but if it’s to a team that has a need for a net front PP specialist and has a RD that is a solid PK guy as a third pairing and is around 26-27 years old then that would work.

None of the UFA’s should be kept. Not a single one. I’m also indifferent to all of the RFA’s outside of Jarry. Rodrigues wasn’t bad but despite having a very good mini camp he doesn’t see game time over McCann, Sheary or Lafferty.

I don’t think you move Rust, Zucker or Jake along with Any of the top 4 D. But I’d rather see Pettersson as a 3rd pair and find a better partner for Marino.

The hardest choice will be which goalie to move and unfortunately it will be Jarry mostly because he would be expected to be signed cheaper and should be able to get a better return for picks and prospects or a young player because he won’t hurt the new teams cap hit as much. I don’t see a lot of teams with a ton of cap space that would want to send us something decent for Murray knowing he will make $6 million or more. It’s a bad situation

I agree on the UFAs. They should all walk.
On the RFAs, I'd sign Jarry and Lafferty for sure. The Penguins still don't have a ton of WBS callup depth. Lafferty played well in spurts this season. I think he earned another contract. Should be simple 800-900K deal for Lafferty.

Rodriguez...I just never saw anything from him. He's a bottom 6 forward on this team, and, I just really don't see a spot for him. He's not going to produce enough to be the 3C. To me, Rodriguez, ZAR, Lafferty, Angello, A. Johnson....they are all pretty interchangeable as a 12th/13th forward. There's really no need to keep him, especially since he'd have to be qualified at 2.2M. Hard pass there, he's not worth that. Not even sure I would fight to keep him on a Lafferty type deal. It's just a body at this point, IMO.

McCann, because he is 24 and has some skill, I would probably lean towards keeping, however, it has to be in the 2-2.5M range. He tailed off big time. He has consistency issues. He needs a 1 or 2 year 2M type show me deal. If the Penguins have soured on him, I think someone else will still take a chance on him. Get a pick or prospect for him, or add him into a Hornqvist/Bjugstad/Johnson type deal to help move one of those contracts. I'd prefer to keep him, and play him at wing.

Simon is another guy that I could take or leave. It depends on his health, his salary, and what else Rutherford does with the roster. He has value if you can keep him at 1.5M or less. He's not a 4th liner, but he does well with Crosby as well as a 3rd line role. If he were to stay, I'd probably want to see him on Crosby's RW, or, maybe even try him at 3C? He was a center originally.

Angello. Meh. I'm indifferent. He didn't get a lot of opportunities. He did have a few good moments. I could see this one going either way. Maybe this is another situation where a Western club likes his size and would be interested in acquiring his RFA rights. He'd be a cheap sign in the 800-900K range.

Rutherford had said they aren't going to resign all their RFAs. I would see the pecking order as follows, and expect Rodriguez and Angello to not be signed....but with a slight chance of Angello staying in place of Simon if money/injury play a factor.

McCann
Simon
Lafferty
Rodrigues
Angello

Riikola, sadly, I think will not be retained. Whether that is the Penguins choice, or he requests a trade. The Penguins really didn't do him any favors, accept giving him an NHL shot. I'm not saying the guy was incredible, but, he showed some flashes and seemed NHL ready a lot quicker than expected. Instead, the team soured on him, and he got very limited chances. There were reportedly other teams interested in him last year. Montreal supposedly had interest at one point. He might be another guy whose rights the Penguins can trade.
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby ville5 on Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:08 pm

Nick Kypreos

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Back at it today

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! Mac and I even discuss a potential Frederik Andersen/Matt Murray trade

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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

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Pittsburgh is leaning towards keeping the 15th overall pick and instead give Minnesota next year’s 1st Rd pick. Penguins GM Jim Rutherford will make a final decision after meeting with Pens head of amateur scouting Patrik Allvin tomorrow. 1/2
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:12 pm

ville5 wrote:Nick Kypreos

@RealKyper

Back at it today

@Line_Movement

! Mac and I even discuss a potential Frederik Andersen/Matt Murray trade

Video: https://youtu.be/XtmWEH3iAek Podcast: https://apple.co/2BrkkHu


Lol, no way
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby ville5 on Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:16 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
ville5 wrote:Nick Kypreos

@RealKyper

Back at it today

@Line_Movement

! Mac and I even discuss a potential Frederik Andersen/Matt Murray trade

Video: https://youtu.be/XtmWEH3iAek Podcast: https://apple.co/2BrkkHu


Lol, no way

Lol. Not that I believe Kypreos, but Andersen is older and costs more. Better be a significant add from Toronto if there's a modicum of truth. Like Kap.
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:20 pm

ville5 wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
ville5 wrote:Nick Kypreos

@RealKyper

Back at it today

@Line_Movement

! Mac and I even discuss a potential Frederik Andersen/Matt Murray trade

Video: https://youtu.be/XtmWEH3iAek Podcast: https://apple.co/2BrkkHu


Lol, no way

Lol. Not that I believe Kypreos, but Andersen is older and costs more. Better be a significant add from Toronto if there's a modicum of truth. Like Kap.


Ill be surprised if Murray signs for less than 5M.

Also id take Jarry at 3-3.5M over Andersen at 5M
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby FLPensFan on Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:41 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
ville5 wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
ville5 wrote:Nick Kypreos

@RealKyper

Back at it today

@Line_Movement

! Mac and I even discuss a potential Frederik Andersen/Matt Murray trade

Video: https://youtu.be/XtmWEH3iAek Podcast: https://apple.co/2BrkkHu


Lol, no way

Lol. Not that I believe Kypreos, but Andersen is older and costs more. Better be a significant add from Toronto if there's a modicum of truth. Like Kap.


Ill be surprised if Murray signs for less than 5M.

Also id take Jarry at 3-3.5M over Andersen at 5M

I don't get where some people come up with this stuff. What possible reason would Pittsburgh want Andersen? That would be a completely stupid trade. This is Canadian media thinking very one sided:

"Gee, maybe Toronto would want a younger goalie like Matt Murray. A Murray for Andersen trade makes tons of sense." No, it makes no sense at all. Pittsburgh would be taking Andersen back for no other reason than to help Toronto. Andersen isn't a need for Pittsburgh. About the ONLY way I could see something like that trade happening would be if it was something like Murray and Johnson for Kapanen and Andersen, and even then, I don't want Andersen at 5M.

Twitter friend in Vancouver said today he has a strong feeling Pittsburgh is going to make a play for Holtby. I told him he was out of his mind and made a non-monetary wager with him.
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:48 pm

Id do Murray and JJ for Kapanen and Andersen in a heartbeat. Then flip Andersen to Detroit or Ottawa for whatever pick they want to give us.

But like you said, its a foolish rumor
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby Jim on Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:50 pm

When Kypreos made this up yesterday he basically said that he made it up himself.
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby Penguins Knight on Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:16 am

There are uncomfortable decisions ahead. Not all decisions will be made this offseason. In the 2021 offseason, the Penguins will need to worry about which players have to be protected in the Seattle Kracken's expansion draft. Keeping next offseason in mind, the Penguins can work to have less decisions to worry about by addressing issues this offseason.

McCann and Bjugstad have disappointed. I fear Bjugstad's injury history will cause him to medically retire. Keeping Bjugstad on long-term injured reserve to free up cap space is necessary. McCann needs a prove deal. Either he produces, he finds another team, or he transitions to the AHL.

I see Hornqvist and Rust remaining with the team through the 2020-2021 season. I hope we have a good hard decision who to expose in the expansion draft when the Penguins are back to the standard of winning and in good postseason position.
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:20 am

Jim wrote:When Kypreos made this up yesterday he basically said that he made it up himself.


I wish someone would "make up" that JJ for Rask trade again.

2 years of Rask can't be worse than 3 years of JJ
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby scpensfan on Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:44 am

-- I totally get all the arguments for moving Hornqvist. I just can't help but wonder how much softer this team would be without him. KEEP
-- I can't help but think, though, that it's time for a BIG move. And the only big move that, to me, makes sense is Letang. Because of all the things we've talked about (losing a step, high-risk game, injury history). That's how you shake the team up.
-- And, similar to what I thought about Fleury vs. Murray, only one remains. But, if the market for Murray has cratered (which is very possible), I could be talked into keeping Murray if you could get a Godfather-type offer for Jarry. If the offers are similar for both, keep Jarry on account of youth.
-- And I'd totally be willing to move the No. 15 pick, but it would have to be for someone with no question marks.
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby DelPen on Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:45 am

Just saw Pens Facebook announce Gonchar, Martin and Recchi Will not have contracts renewed.
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby Jim on Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:07 am

thehockeyguru wrote:
Jim wrote:When Kypreos made this up yesterday he basically said that he made it up himself.


I wish someone would "make up" that JJ for Rask trade again.

2 years of Rask can't be worse than 3 years of JJ


Then why would Minnesota do it?
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby Penguins Knight on Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:45 am

DelPen wrote:The hardest choice will be which goalie to move and unfortunately it will be Jarry mostly because he would be expected to be signed cheaper and should be able to get a better return for picks and prospects or a young player because he won’t hurt the new teams cap hit as much. I don’t see a lot of teams with a ton of cap space that would want to send us something decent for Murray knowing he will make $6 million or more. It’s a bad situation

scpensfan wrote:-- And, similar to what I thought about Fleury vs. Murray, only one remains. But, if the market for Murray has cratered (which is very possible), I could be talked into keeping Murray if you could get a Godfather-type offer for Jarry. If the offers are similar for both, keep Jarry on account of youth.


Is Murray worth $6,000,000 a season with his play regressing over three seasons? No, it is not. Murray should not cost any team more than $4,000,000 a season on a bridge contract. The Penguins should not overspend on the goaltending position. Other positions that should keep the puck away from the net more must be addressed.

If the Penguins move on from Murray, they need to shop for a free agent goaltender to compete with Jarry, or promote DeSmith and address depth at Wilkes-Barre/Scranton.
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby Pensfan4life8771 on Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:56 am

I think they move Murray to strengthen either draft picks for another move or a D man.

I would be surprised if our goalies next year are not Jarry/DeSmith
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Re: Uncomfortable decisions ahead for Penguins

Postby Penguins Knight on Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:10 pm

Pensfan4life8771 wrote:I think they move Murray to strengthen either draft picks for another move or a D man.

I would be surprised if our goalies next year are not Jarry/DeSmith


I would not mind acquiring draft picks for "has been" players. We need to restock the farm.
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