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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby GSdrums87 on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:49 pm

What a horrible, horrible trade.

Rutherford gets fixated on players and then overpays like hell for them.

And his senile ass DEFINITELY got Lindgren and Liljegren mixed up for the worse.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Pitts on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:49 pm

pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:Rodrigues wasn't part of the plan, Warsofsky is an AHLer.
Aberg is alos an AHLer and a RFA, maybe will not get qualified? Lindgren is an Addison replacement.

Kapanen, Lindgren for #15, Hallander.

Toronto fan reaction seems overwhelmingly that they love this trade for them.

I wonder if Rutherford simply has ZERO trust in his amateur scouts.

Another Rutherford trade in the L column for me.


You consider it a L because:

(A) You expect the first round pick would make the team next year

(B) You love seeing Simon on the first line

(C) You see Hallander as the next Markus Naslund

(D) You don't see next year's team as being a contender regardless of who they acquire, so they just might as well sell

(A) NO
(B) NO
(C) NO
(D) NO

Literally none of your points downplay the fact that this is a horribly unbalanced trade.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby KG on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:50 pm

Pitts wrote:
KG wrote:He is 24 signed for 2 more years at $3.2Mill. Will probably be on Sid's wing and could easily get to 30 goals.

What makes you assume this? All the talent he played with in Toronto?


He's 24. In his first full season he scored 20. He will be the #1 RW and play with Sid and I think he will continue to develop.

Just saw that the Pens had Kapanen rated 7th overall when they drafted him. They obviously love the player.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby pens_CT on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:50 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
Pensfan4life8771 wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:My takes on the trade:

--At time of trade: Grade of D. This trade basically boils down to Kapanen for 15th overall AND Hallander, who is one of our better prospects. Should not have cost us both, or if it did, we should have received

--How to move it to A/B level trade: I would have liked to have seen Timothy Liljegren back in the deal instead of Lindgren. Lindgren, whom we got, was a 4th round pick, playing only 2nd pairing minutes in the AHL. Liljegren was a former 1st rounder that has struggled to earn an NHL job, but he at least has a much higher upside than Lindgren. Other option would have been getting a 2nd rounder back in return. Pittsburgh gave up one of its better prospects....so should have Toronto.

--Penguins win this trade if: Kapanen becomes a 20 goal, 60 point player. If he stays where he is now, 40 points, 15-20 goal range....it's a loss.



Trust the process....I'm thinking the want for Murray and demand has increased to mid first pick level...Look at Ottawa...they need a franchise goalie and have not one but three first round picks. Just watch.


You keep the 15th and get another for Murray, then you bundle the two in order to move up.


Unless you're moving up to the top five where you can get a more of sure thing, then I don't see the point. I doubt anyone in the top five is falling back for two picks later in the first round.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby pens_CT on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:51 pm

Pitts wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:Rodrigues wasn't part of the plan, Warsofsky is an AHLer.
Aberg is alos an AHLer and a RFA, maybe will not get qualified? Lindgren is an Addison replacement.

Kapanen, Lindgren for #15, Hallander.

Toronto fan reaction seems overwhelmingly that they love this trade for them.

I wonder if Rutherford simply has ZERO trust in his amateur scouts.

Another Rutherford trade in the L column for me.


You consider it a L because:

(A) You expect the first round pick would make the team next year

(B) You love seeing Simon on the first line

(C) You see Hallander as the next Markus Naslund

(D) You don't see next year's team as being a contender regardless of who they acquire, so they just might as well sell

(A) NO
(B) NO
(C) NO
(D) NO

Literally none of your points downplay the fact that this is a horribly unbalanced trade.


What in your mind makes it an unbalanced trade?
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby 100565 on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:51 pm

Agree with the fireworks comment. Why make this trade now? It wasn't an offer we could not refuse - so to speak. Why not wait? My only logical guess would be more, bigger trades coming soon.

I don't like this deal. I had no problem giving up the 1st (expected it) or Hallender; I think we could have done better though...
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Pitts on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:53 pm

KG wrote:
Pitts wrote:
KG wrote:He is 24 signed for 2 more years at $3.2Mill. Will probably be on Sid's wing and could easily get to 30 goals.

What makes you assume this? All the talent he played with in Toronto?


He's 24. In his first full season he scored 20. He will be the #1 RW and play with Sid and I think he will continue to develop.

Just saw that the Pens had Kapanen rated 7th overall when they drafted him. They obviously love the player.

I don't mind the player, but they way over paid. Unless there is a 1st coming back for Murray. You simply can't keep trading away the 1sts at this point in Crosby/Malkin careers - especially one in the top 15. They haven't been that high a long time.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Jim on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:54 pm

pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:Rodrigues wasn't part of the plan, Warsofsky is an AHLer.
Aberg is alos an AHLer and a RFA, maybe will not get qualified? Lindgren is an Addison replacement.

Kapanen, Lindgren for #15, Hallander.

Toronto fan reaction seems overwhelmingly that they love this trade for them.

I wonder if Rutherford simply has ZERO trust in his amateur scouts.

Another Rutherford trade in the L column for me.


You consider it a L because:

(A) You expect the first round pick would make the team next year

(B) You love seeing Simon on the first line

(C) You see Hallander as the next Markus Naslund

(D) You don't see next year's team as being a contender regardless of who they acquire, so they just might as well sell


I see it as a loss because it is gross overpay for the return. I see it as a bigger loss as I mistook which D was coming back. I am fine with Kapanen coming back to the Pens, I am not fine at it costing #15 and Hallander. Heck, that is basically what was paid for Zucker, and I wasn't a fan of that trade either, and Kapanen is no Zucker.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby penny lane on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:54 pm

Did Kasperi get any power play time in TO? Any success there?
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby sjnhiils on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:55 pm

GMJR is on record saying he never tries to fleece another G.M.or win the trade so he is keeping his word! His problem is he becomes fixated with certain guys so other teams take advantage of this and drive the price up. Two first round picks and two top prospects for guys that were struggling in the bottom 6. Toronto fans have been saying they have too many Kapanen like players to advance in the playoffs. The Pens are built a lot like Toronto. GMJR'S solution? Go out and get Kapanen?
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Pitts on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:55 pm

pens_CT wrote:
Pitts wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:Rodrigues wasn't part of the plan, Warsofsky is an AHLer.
Aberg is alos an AHLer and a RFA, maybe will not get qualified? Lindgren is an Addison replacement.

Kapanen, Lindgren for #15, Hallander.

Toronto fan reaction seems overwhelmingly that they love this trade for them.

I wonder if Rutherford simply has ZERO trust in his amateur scouts.

Another Rutherford trade in the L column for me.


You consider it a L because:

(A) You expect the first round pick would make the team next year

(B) You love seeing Simon on the first line

(C) You see Hallander as the next Markus Naslund

(D) You don't see next year's team as being a contender regardless of who they acquire, so they just might as well sell

(A) NO
(B) NO
(C) NO
(D) NO

Literally none of your points downplay the fact that this is a horribly unbalanced trade.


What in your mind makes it an unbalanced trade?

No need to include that #15 pick unless something else is brewing.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Ohio_Pens_fan on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:56 pm

So is Murray going to Calgary (Bennett) or Ottawa (Tierney)? Not straight up of course.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Jim on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:56 pm

Pitts wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:Rodrigues wasn't part of the plan, Warsofsky is an AHLer.
Aberg is alos an AHLer and a RFA, maybe will not get qualified? Lindgren is an Addison replacement.

Kapanen, Lindgren for #15, Hallander.

Toronto fan reaction seems overwhelmingly that they love this trade for them.

I wonder if Rutherford simply has ZERO trust in his amateur scouts.

Another Rutherford trade in the L column for me.


You consider it a L because:

(A) You expect the first round pick would make the team next year

(B) You love seeing Simon on the first line

(C) You see Hallander as the next Markus Naslund

(D) You don't see next year's team as being a contender regardless of who they acquire, so they just might as well sell

(A) NO
(B) NO
(C) NO
(D) NO

Literally none of your points downplay the fact that this is a horribly unbalanced trade.


He's just trying to figure out a way to take a shot at me. He hasn't seen an article that tells him how to feel about this trade yet so he is just taking shots.

Don't worry man, someone will write your opinion for you soon.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby longtimefan on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:57 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
penny lane wrote:Pontus Aberg- 5'11" 196. Paul Steirgerwald saying he was on the 17 Nashville roster? I don't remember him.


He's the guy who walked Maatta for the 1st goal in game 2 of the finals.


"Pontus Aberg wasn’t in the bubble and signed in the KHL for next season and was possibly only a member of this trade to balance contracts"


Factual information until he offers an opinion it was to balance contracts. Why the hell would they need to balance contracts with an RFA? My guess is the Pens will qualify him, then maybe look to bring him back in the future. They took a flyer.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Jim on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:58 pm

Ohio_Pens_fan wrote:So is Murray going to Calgary (Bennett) or Ottawa (Tierney)? Not straight up of course.


Yeah, what else will Rutherford add?
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby dark_forces on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:59 pm

Pitts wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Pitts wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:Rodrigues wasn't part of the plan, Warsofsky is an AHLer.
Aberg is alos an AHLer and a RFA, maybe will not get qualified? Lindgren is an Addison replacement.

Kapanen, Lindgren for #15, Hallander.

Toronto fan reaction seems overwhelmingly that they love this trade for them.

I wonder if Rutherford simply has ZERO trust in his amateur scouts.

Another Rutherford trade in the L column for me.


You consider it a L because:

(A) You expect the first round pick would make the team next year

(B) You love seeing Simon on the first line

(C) You see Hallander as the next Markus Naslund

(D) You don't see next year's team as being a contender regardless of who they acquire, so they just might as well sell

(A) NO
(B) NO
(C) NO
(D) NO

Literally none of your points downplay the fact that this is a horribly unbalanced trade.


What in your mind makes it an unbalanced trade?

No need to include that #15 pick unless something else is brewing.

That's what I'm assuming. Maybe now they include McCann with Murray and get a 3rd line center and a first rounder, something like that.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Antonio on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:59 pm

Gross. Utterly gross.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Pensfan4life8771 on Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:59 pm

FLPens...what is your best Murray to Ottawa trade for 1st Rd pick?
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby pens_CT on Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:01 pm

Jim wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:Rodrigues wasn't part of the plan, Warsofsky is an AHLer.
Aberg is alos an AHLer and a RFA, maybe will not get qualified? Lindgren is an Addison replacement.

Kapanen, Lindgren for #15, Hallander.

Toronto fan reaction seems overwhelmingly that they love this trade for them.

I wonder if Rutherford simply has ZERO trust in his amateur scouts.

Another Rutherford trade in the L column for me.


You consider it a L because:

(A) You expect the first round pick would make the team next year

(B) You love seeing Simon on the first line

(C) You see Hallander as the next Markus Naslund

(D) You don't see next year's team as being a contender regardless of who they acquire, so they just might as well sell


I see it as a loss because it is gross overpay for the return. I see it as a bigger loss as I mistook which D was coming back. I am fine with Kapanen coming back to the Pens, I am not fine at it costing #15 and Hallander. Heck, that is basically what was paid for Zucker, and I wasn't a fan of that trade either, and Kapanen is no Zucker.


So you expect the 15th pick to be a better player than Kapanen in two to three years, which is probably the timeframe for that guy to be in the NHL. That might be true, it will also be true that Malkin may not be on this roster after his current contract expires and Sid would be 35 or 36. So if you're not in the win now mode, just blow it up. Everyone else in this deal is roster filler at the best.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Cim2217 on Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:01 pm

I’d love to get some sandpaper in the lineup. Bennett would be a welcomed addition in that regard to go along with Tanev.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Pitts on Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:07 pm

Ottawa has 3 first round picks. One of them better be owned by the Pens very soon. And it better not be #22. :)
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Jim on Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:08 pm

However, this bumped Tanev off of my Seattle protected list.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby pens_CT on Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:08 pm

Jim wrote:
Pitts wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:Rodrigues wasn't part of the plan, Warsofsky is an AHLer.
Aberg is alos an AHLer and a RFA, maybe will not get qualified? Lindgren is an Addison replacement.

Kapanen, Lindgren for #15, Hallander.

Toronto fan reaction seems overwhelmingly that they love this trade for them.

I wonder if Rutherford simply has ZERO trust in his amateur scouts.

Another Rutherford trade in the L column for me.


You consider it a L because:

(A) You expect the first round pick would make the team next year

(B) You love seeing Simon on the first line

(C) You see Hallander as the next Markus Naslund

(D) You don't see next year's team as being a contender regardless of who they acquire, so they just might as well sell

(A) NO
(B) NO
(C) NO
(D) NO

Literally none of your points downplay the fact that this is a horribly unbalanced trade.


He's just trying to figure out a way to take a shot at me. He hasn't seen an article that tells him how to feel about this trade yet so he is just taking shots.

Don't worry man, someone will write your opinion for you soon.


Trust me Jim, you're not that important. Maybe you think you are, but whatever. Just wanted to see why this is such a one sided trade. For the record, I'm not a Kapanen fan and if you look at the top of this thread, I hoped they weren't giving up their first round pick. I'd take Kapanen over Simon on the top line any day of the week. I understand they still think they have a window to compete before Sid & Geno leave, and the 1st round pick probably doesn't help in that cause. If you think they're not close to competing, then start selling everyone and start over.
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby Jim on Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:09 pm

pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:
pens_CT wrote:
Jim wrote:Rodrigues wasn't part of the plan, Warsofsky is an AHLer.
Aberg is alos an AHLer and a RFA, maybe will not get qualified? Lindgren is an Addison replacement.

Kapanen, Lindgren for #15, Hallander.

Toronto fan reaction seems overwhelmingly that they love this trade for them.

I wonder if Rutherford simply has ZERO trust in his amateur scouts.

Another Rutherford trade in the L column for me.


You consider it a L because:

(A) You expect the first round pick would make the team next year

(B) You love seeing Simon on the first line

(C) You see Hallander as the next Markus Naslund

(D) You don't see next year's team as being a contender regardless of who they acquire, so they just might as well sell


I see it as a loss because it is gross overpay for the return. I see it as a bigger loss as I mistook which D was coming back. I am fine with Kapanen coming back to the Pens, I am not fine at it costing #15 and Hallander. Heck, that is basically what was paid for Zucker, and I wasn't a fan of that trade either, and Kapanen is no Zucker.


So you expect the 15th pick to be a better player than Kapanen in two to three years, which is probably the timeframe for that guy to be in the NHL. That might be true, it will also be true that Malkin may not be on this roster after his current contract expires and Sid would be 35 or 36. So if you're not in the win now mode, just blow it up. Everyone else in this deal is roster filler at the best.


See Pitts, it's often referred to as "Rent Free"
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Re: Kapanen to PIT

Postby pens_CT on Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:11 pm

Pitts wrote:Ottawa has 3 first round picks. One of them better be owned by the Pens very soon. And it better not be #22. :)


You think that Murray is going to get you one of those first round picks?
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