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2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:56 am

Reading some things today that there are some pretty big negotiations going on around the number of games being played in the upcoming season. Many players are under the impression that with what they signed this summer, they are guaranteed to get their full salary or a set negotiated percentage (72% I believe), even if they don't play a full 82-game season. The NHL, on the other hand, says that there is language in the MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) that relates to pro-rating salaries based on # of games played.

Some players are saying it is BS, that they never agreed to that. That they already gave up a ton of salary, and the players tried to help the league stay afloat by doing the playoff bubble. With escrow and other reductions that have taken place, players are not willing to do a pro-rated salary for a shortened season.

Sounds like things may start to get ugly here soon.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby longtimefan on Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:33 am

FLPensFan wrote:Reading some things today that there are some pretty big negotiations going on around the number of games being played in the upcoming season. Many players are under the impression that with what they signed this summer, they are guaranteed to get their full salary or a set negotiated percentage (72% I believe), even if they don't play a full 82-game season. The NHL, on the other hand, says that there is language in the MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) that relates to pro-rating salaries based on # of games played.

Some players are saying it is BS, that they never agreed to that. That they already gave up a ton of salary, and the players tried to help the league stay afloat by doing the playoff bubble. With escrow and other reductions that have taken place, players are not willing to do a pro-rated salary for a shortened season.

Sounds like things may start to get ugly here soon.


Yes, but I'd expect whatever is in that MOU to bring clarity. If it's not in there they've got a case, if it is, shame on them for not rading the fine print. They pay their agents a lot of money. Rather than individual players or agents, I'd like to know Don Fehr's take. That will tell you how ugly it could get.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby Jim on Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:17 pm

Tuff titties if the players don't like it. If it's in the CBA... you signed it. The "What if...?" clauses usually stink, but that is frankly why the clauses are in there.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby Antonio on Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:14 pm

So friggin tiresome. Waaa waaa more money! You play a **** game for a living and make more money in one half year than most entire american families make in a decade or a lifetime and now you're whining you might only get 75 percent if the league plays less games. Less games, less revenue. Simple. Not good enough? Then close the damn garage league down and all of them can go get real jobs. Pathetic this kind of nonsense. Just makes me sick.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby stonewizard51 on Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:35 am

I'm self employed and if my income drops I have to adjust my expenses accordingly and I don't make ANYWHERE NEAR WHAT THEY MAKE !!! By the time we pay some exorbitant amount for nosebleed seats, hotel, and other travel costs to go to a game, my wife and I have spent $500 at least just to watch a game. I'm not complaining about the cost but we do have to budget to make it work.

It's hard to feel sorry for these idiots who make a ton of money and, assuming they took the opportunity to hire a good financial advisor, most likely will never have to work a job once they retire. They're all a bunch of prima donnas.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby Sigwolf on Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:00 pm

It's pretty simple... you're doing your job less, the league is earning less... you don't deserve to make the same amount of money just because 'reasons'.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby no name on Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:48 pm

Its as smiple as money in money out. If there is less money coming in there is less to pay the player and the owner to profilt form.

Right now there is also a saftey standard to play to, how do you play a compete schedule and keep all the players safe, and still be able to see their families. Do you only play in-confrenece games to limit exposure. The NHL needs the gate money to help pay some of the expenses. The NHLPA will get a say so in how this plays out so this will be intresting for sure.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby LimerickPensFan on Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:00 pm

no name wrote:Its as smiple as money in money out. If there is less money coming in there is less to pay the player and the owner to profilt form.

Right now there is also a saftey standard to play to, how do you play a compete schedule and keep all the players safe, and still be able to see their families. Do you only play in-confrenece games to limit exposure. The NHL needs the gate money to help pay some of the expenses. The NHLPA will get a say so in how this plays out so this will be intresting for sure.

To exacerbate this, what happens if Canada doesn't ease restrictions on people coming in from the US? Do we create two unbalanced conferences for the year? One in Canada and the other in the US?
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby Steve Dave on Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:27 pm

To limit exposure, they could play in their own division (8 games each, 4H, 4A, for a 56 game season). Take the top 4 teams in each division for the playoffs in a bubble. The Central would have to play each other 9 times and then an extra game against 2 teams.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby LimerickPensFan on Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:39 pm

Steve Dave wrote:To limit exposure, they could play in their own division (8 games each, 4H, 4A, for a 56 game season). Take the top 4 teams in each division for the playoffs in a bubble. The Central would have to play each other 9 times and then an extra game against 2 teams.

With a 10-day quarantine each time you go to Canada?
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby Steve Dave on Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:04 pm

LimerickPensFan wrote:
Steve Dave wrote:To limit exposure, they could play in their own division (8 games each, 4H, 4A, for a 56 game season). Take the top 4 teams in each division for the playoffs in a bubble. The Central would have to play each other 9 times and then an extra game against 2 teams.

With a 10-day quarantine each time you go to Canada?

If they don’t allow US teams in then they forfeit the games.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby Jim on Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:56 pm

Steve Dave wrote:
LimerickPensFan wrote:
Steve Dave wrote:To limit exposure, they could play in their own division (8 games each, 4H, 4A, for a 56 game season). Take the top 4 teams in each division for the playoffs in a bubble. The Central would have to play each other 9 times and then an extra game against 2 teams.

With a 10-day quarantine each time you go to Canada?

If they don’t allow US teams in then they forfeit the games.


Is that how they figured out a way to get a Canadian team to win the Stanley Cup?
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby Steve Dave on Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:49 pm

Jim wrote:
Steve Dave wrote:
LimerickPensFan wrote:
Steve Dave wrote:To limit exposure, they could play in their own division (8 games each, 4H, 4A, for a 56 game season). Take the top 4 teams in each division for the playoffs in a bubble. The Central would have to play each other 9 times and then an extra game against 2 teams.

With a 10-day quarantine each time you go to Canada?

If they don’t allow US teams in then they forfeit the games.


Is that how they figured out a way to get a Canadian team to win the Stanley Cup?

If they are forfeiting games then I doubt they’ll make the playoffs or win the Cup.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby largegarlic on Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:40 pm

Steve Dave wrote:To limit exposure, they could play in their own division (8 games each, 4H, 4A, for a 56 game season). Take the top 4 teams in each division for the playoffs in a bubble. The Central would have to play each other 9 times and then an extra game against 2 teams.


This kind of what MLS did I think. They had clusters of team that are close geographically play each other a bunch of times and then gradually expanded that to play some games against other teams in the conference, but still with a shortened season. MLS has 3 Canadian teams, and they've been playing in adopted home stadiums in the US to deal with the border crossing issue.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby longtimefan on Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:27 pm

The NHL has multiple issues. Having so many Canadian teams is just one of them. They have to play to get the TV money, but it's still a gate driven league. There's questions about some team's survival if they play without fans, and some owner's are resistant to the idea. I believe the Vegas owner expressed doubt of being able to play the season. The biggest issue is getting COVID-19 under some semblance of control. If it keeps getting worse, there's no way to open up the arenas. They're in a state of flux until that happens.

The issue with Canada not allowing people across the border has a couple of possible solutions. One is that Canada is working on a pilot program that would relax the 14 day quarantine.

the Canadian government doesn’t seem ready to allow its seven NHL teams to travel freely back and forth over the border, although perhaps a positive step came Thursday when the Toronto Sun reported that international travelers can be tested for COVID-19 as a means to relax the country’s mandatory 14-day quarantine as long as upon entry passengers who test negative agree to a second test within a week.

“The pilot program, at least on its face, if it goes well and it becomes more widespread, and that is the mechanism (for) health and safety, … that could be very, very helpful to a return to play strategy next season for us,” Daly said.


Bill Daley stressed that there's a lot of different options, and he says one is no more likely than another. If teams can't cross the border, there's talk of a Canadian division for one season. The Athletic suggested a possible realignment.

The seven Canadian teams would form one division. They would only play each other. The other divisions would likely do the same to reduce travel and for uniformity. The other divisions may look something like this.

Revamped Pacific: Anaheim, Arizona, Colorado, Dallas, Los Angeles, Minnesota, San Jose and Vegas.

Revamped Central: Carolina, Chicago, Columbus, Detroit, Florida, Nashville, St. Louis and Tampa Bay.

Revamped Atlantic/Metro: Boston, Buffalo, New Jersey, N.Y. Islanders, N.Y. Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Washington.


There's a lot of things to consider, but this is one possible solution. They still say they'd like to get a full season in, but it may not be possible. The summer Olympics throws a wrench into it, since NBC has the rights. The NHL would like to conclude the season before they are scheduled to begin. They are currently scheduled to begin on July 23rd.

https://theathletic.com/2157280/2020/10 ... er-return/
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby FLPensFan on Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:34 pm

longtimefan wrote:The NHL has multiple issues. Having so many Canadian teams is just one of them. They have to play to get the TV money, but it's still a gate driven league. There's questions about some team's survival if they play without fans, and some owner's are resistant to the idea. I believe the Vegas owner expressed doubt of being able to play the season. The biggest issue is getting COVID-19 under some semblance of control. If it keeps getting worse, there's no way to open up the arenas. They're in a state of flux until that happens.

The issue with Canada not allowing people across the border has a couple of possible solutions. One is that Canada is working on a pilot program that would relax the 14 day quarantine.

the Canadian government doesn’t seem ready to allow its seven NHL teams to travel freely back and forth over the border, although perhaps a positive step came Thursday when the Toronto Sun reported that international travelers can be tested for COVID-19 as a means to relax the country’s mandatory 14-day quarantine as long as upon entry passengers who test negative agree to a second test within a week.

“The pilot program, at least on its face, if it goes well and it becomes more widespread, and that is the mechanism (for) health and safety, … that could be very, very helpful to a return to play strategy next season for us,” Daly said.


Bill Daley stressed that there's a lot of different options, and he says one is no more likely than another. If teams can't cross the border, there's talk of a Canadian division for one season. The Athletic suggested a possible realignment.

The seven Canadian teams would form one division. They would only play each other. The other divisions would likely do the same to reduce travel and for uniformity. The other divisions may look something like this.

Revamped Pacific: Anaheim, Arizona, Colorado, Dallas, Los Angeles, Minnesota, San Jose and Vegas.

Revamped Central: Carolina, Chicago, Columbus, Detroit, Florida, Nashville, St. Louis and Tampa Bay.

Revamped Atlantic/Metro: Boston, Buffalo, New Jersey, N.Y. Islanders, N.Y. Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Washington.


There's a lot of things to consider, but this is one possible solution. They still say they'd like to get a full season in, but it may not be possible. The summer Olympics throws a wrench into it, since NBC has the rights. The NHL would like to conclude the season before they are scheduled to begin. They are currently scheduled to begin on July 23rd.

https://theathletic.com/2157280/2020/10 ... er-return/

I haven't ready the article yet, but here's some things I would look at:


1) Have a modified conference/division format....Western division has Pacific & Central" type teams, and Eastern division has Canadian & Metro-Atlantic teams
--West: (Pacific) - Anaheim, Arizona, Colorado, Dallas, Los Angeles, San Jose, Vegas
--West: (South-Central) - Chicago, Detroit, Florida, Minnessota, Tampa, Nashville, St. Louis, Tampa
--East: (Canadian) - Buffalo, Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Winnipeg, Vancouver
--East: (Metro-Atlantic) - Boston, Carolina, NJD, NYI, NYR, Philly, Pittsburgh, Washington

Obviously, there will be some issues to work out here, but, this is probably about as logical as you can get.
For Buffalo, I ask them to begin by playing in a neutral site in Canada. Quebec would be a great idea. Give them something to look forward to. Work out some sort of deal where Buffalo gets the majority of gate and concession revenue from this neutral site.

2) Attendance
--Start season with limited fan attendance. 5k-8k range of fans with as much social distancing as possible.
--Switch to full fan attendance by mid-point of the season.

3) Scheduling

--Start season January 1 and play until May 15th (regular season)
--Modified 68 game season. Teams play roughly 15 games per month, with 8 games in May.
--Teams begin by playing division only games, and then play inter-conference games in the 2nd half of the season. This allows more time for Canadian restrictions to be lifted.
--No inter-conference play next season, to help limit travel.
--15 games a month isn't much more than what teams normally would play. The Penguins had 14 games in November of 2019. You add 1 more game there. Need to balance schedule being condensed with games too close together causing injury.
--Playoffs begin in May, with games reverting to older style back to back days when not switching cities (ie, games 1 & 2 in Pittsburgh Monday and Tuesday, Wednesday a travel day, Thursday and Friday are games 3 & 4 in other playoff city. This will help keep scheduling on track to finish by early July....round 1 May 17th through 28th, round 2 May 31st through June 11th, round 3 June 14th through 25th, Cup Finals June 28th through July 8th.
--This also gives them a few weeks of leeway to have either a slightly longer season (maybe 75 games) or push things back a week or two if needed and still avoid the Olympics.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby longtimefan on Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:12 am

FLPensFan wrote:I haven't ready the article yet, but here's some things I would look at:


1) Have a modified conference/division format....Western division has Pacific & Central" type teams, and Eastern division has Canadian & Metro-Atlantic teams
--West: (Pacific) - Anaheim, Arizona, Colorado, Dallas, Los Angeles, San Jose, Vegas
--West: (South-Central) - Chicago, Detroit, Florida, Minnessota, Tampa, Nashville, St. Louis, Tampa
--East: (Canadian) - Buffalo, Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Winnipeg, Vancouver
--East: (Metro-Atlantic) - Boston, Carolina, NJD, NYI, NYR, Philly, Pittsburgh, Washington

Obviously, there will be some issues to work out here, but, this is probably about as logical as you can get.
For Buffalo, I ask them to begin by playing in a neutral site in Canada. Quebec would be a great idea. Give them something to look forward to. Work out some sort of deal where Buffalo gets the majority of gate and concession revenue from this neutral site.

2) Attendance
--Start season with limited fan attendance. 5k-8k range of fans with as much social distancing as possible.
--Switch to full fan attendance by mid-point of the season.

3) Scheduling

--Start season January 1 and play until May 15th (regular season)
--Modified 68 game season. Teams play roughly 15 games per month, with 8 games in May.
--Teams begin by playing division only games, and then play inter-conference games in the 2nd half of the season. This allows more time for Canadian restrictions to be lifted.
--No inter-conference play next season, to help limit travel.
--15 games a month isn't much more than what teams normally would play. The Penguins had 14 games in November of 2019. You add 1 more game there. Need to balance schedule being condensed with games too close together causing injury.
--Playoffs begin in May, with games reverting to older style back to back days when not switching cities (ie, games 1 & 2 in Pittsburgh Monday and Tuesday, Wednesday a travel day, Thursday and Friday are games 3 & 4 in other playoff city. This will help keep scheduling on track to finish by early July....round 1 May 17th through 28th, round 2 May 31st through June 11th, round 3 June 14th through 25th, Cup Finals June 28th through July 8th.
--This also gives them a few weeks of leeway to have either a slightly longer season (maybe 75 games) or push things back a week or two if needed and still avoid the Olympics.



One of the problems is they won't be able to get the season started January 1st, at least not with meaningful attendance, until the pandemic is deemed under control. Fla is allowing fans, but most states are not, or are at least very limited. That's the biggest unknown. Right now, the Steelers are only permitted to have about 5500 fans. Philly would be in the same area. Other states have different rules.

The other issue is it would be completely unfair to the Sabres. It's not like all teams are going to a bubble. It would be more like the MLB and NFL models where players are restricted, but able to live in their homes. Asking the Sabres to be the only team to sacrifice isn't going to fly unless they receive some heavy compensation, and probably not even then. Not without an end in sight. And it's doubtful the other owner's are interested in kicking anything to them in this environment. Hopefully, the pilot program on the quicker test is successful. Otherwise, it's the reason for a Canadian division. They would only play one another, eliminating the need for anyone to cross the border prior to the playoffs. The other divisions would also only play within their division. Partly for consistency, partly to restrict travel.

They've got to get to the point that COVID is under control enough to allow for crowds. Gates and concessions are vital. It's complicated by two countries being involved, let alone a number of states with different rules.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby FLPensFan on Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:25 am

longtimefan wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:I haven't ready the article yet, but here's some things I would look at:


1) Have a modified conference/division format....Western division has Pacific & Central" type teams, and Eastern division has Canadian & Metro-Atlantic teams
--West: (Pacific) - Anaheim, Arizona, Colorado, Dallas, Los Angeles, San Jose, Vegas
--West: (South-Central) - Chicago, Detroit, Florida, Minnessota, Tampa, Nashville, St. Louis, Tampa
--East: (Canadian) - Buffalo, Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Winnipeg, Vancouver
--East: (Metro-Atlantic) - Boston, Carolina, NJD, NYI, NYR, Philly, Pittsburgh, Washington

Obviously, there will be some issues to work out here, but, this is probably about as logical as you can get.
For Buffalo, I ask them to begin by playing in a neutral site in Canada. Quebec would be a great idea. Give them something to look forward to. Work out some sort of deal where Buffalo gets the majority of gate and concession revenue from this neutral site.

2) Attendance
--Start season with limited fan attendance. 5k-8k range of fans with as much social distancing as possible.
--Switch to full fan attendance by mid-point of the season.

3) Scheduling

--Start season January 1 and play until May 15th (regular season)
--Modified 68 game season. Teams play roughly 15 games per month, with 8 games in May.
--Teams begin by playing division only games, and then play inter-conference games in the 2nd half of the season. This allows more time for Canadian restrictions to be lifted.
--No inter-conference play next season, to help limit travel.
--15 games a month isn't much more than what teams normally would play. The Penguins had 14 games in November of 2019. You add 1 more game there. Need to balance schedule being condensed with games too close together causing injury.
--Playoffs begin in May, with games reverting to older style back to back days when not switching cities (ie, games 1 & 2 in Pittsburgh Monday and Tuesday, Wednesday a travel day, Thursday and Friday are games 3 & 4 in other playoff city. This will help keep scheduling on track to finish by early July....round 1 May 17th through 28th, round 2 May 31st through June 11th, round 3 June 14th through 25th, Cup Finals June 28th through July 8th.
--This also gives them a few weeks of leeway to have either a slightly longer season (maybe 75 games) or push things back a week or two if needed and still avoid the Olympics.



One of the problems is they won't be able to get the season started January 1st, at least not with meaningful attendance, until the pandemic is deemed under control. Fla is allowing fans, but most states are not, or are at least very limited. That's the biggest unknown. Right now, the Steelers are only permitted to have about 5500 fans. Philly would be in the same area. Other states have different rules.

The other issue is it would be completely unfair to the Sabres. It's not like all teams are going to a bubble. It would be more like the MLB and NFL models where players are restricted, but able to live in their homes. Asking the Sabres to be the only team to sacrifice isn't going to fly unless they receive some heavy compensation, and probably not even then. Not without an end in sight. And it's doubtful the other owner's are interested in kicking anything to them in this environment. Hopefully, the pilot program on the quicker test is successful. Otherwise, it's the reason for a Canadian division. They would only play one another, eliminating the need for anyone to cross the border prior to the playoffs. The other divisions would also only play within their division. Partly for consistency, partly to restrict travel.

They've got to get to the point that COVID is under control enough to allow for crowds. Gates and concessions are vital. It's complicated by two countries being involved, let alone a number of states with different rules.

Yeah, I agree, but, the problem is....getting COVID under control enough to allow full crowds likely isn't happening in 2021....and not sure the league survives (or at least all the teams) without a 2021 season. They can't play to empty stands, but if they can somehow get even partial fans to start the season, that might work. Very tough situation. I also realize I am talking more league specific and less COVID specific. Take the sports aspect out, and there probably aren't many good reasons why, in a disease prevention push, that fans should really be allowed.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby longtimefan on Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:29 pm

FLPensFan wrote:
longtimefan wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:I haven't ready the article yet, but here's some things I would look at:


1) Have a modified conference/division format....Western division has Pacific & Central" type teams, and Eastern division has Canadian & Metro-Atlantic teams
--West: (Pacific) - Anaheim, Arizona, Colorado, Dallas, Los Angeles, San Jose, Vegas
--West: (South-Central) - Chicago, Detroit, Florida, Minnessota, Tampa, Nashville, St. Louis, Tampa
--East: (Canadian) - Buffalo, Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Winnipeg, Vancouver
--East: (Metro-Atlantic) - Boston, Carolina, NJD, NYI, NYR, Philly, Pittsburgh, Washington

Obviously, there will be some issues to work out here, but, this is probably about as logical as you can get.
For Buffalo, I ask them to begin by playing in a neutral site in Canada. Quebec would be a great idea. Give them something to look forward to. Work out some sort of deal where Buffalo gets the majority of gate and concession revenue from this neutral site.

2) Attendance
--Start season with limited fan attendance. 5k-8k range of fans with as much social distancing as possible.
--Switch to full fan attendance by mid-point of the season.

3) Scheduling

--Start season January 1 and play until May 15th (regular season)
--Modified 68 game season. Teams play roughly 15 games per month, with 8 games in May.
--Teams begin by playing division only games, and then play inter-conference games in the 2nd half of the season. This allows more time for Canadian restrictions to be lifted.
--No inter-conference play next season, to help limit travel.
--15 games a month isn't much more than what teams normally would play. The Penguins had 14 games in November of 2019. You add 1 more game there. Need to balance schedule being condensed with games too close together causing injury.
--Playoffs begin in May, with games reverting to older style back to back days when not switching cities (ie, games 1 & 2 in Pittsburgh Monday and Tuesday, Wednesday a travel day, Thursday and Friday are games 3 & 4 in other playoff city. This will help keep scheduling on track to finish by early July....round 1 May 17th through 28th, round 2 May 31st through June 11th, round 3 June 14th through 25th, Cup Finals June 28th through July 8th.
--This also gives them a few weeks of leeway to have either a slightly longer season (maybe 75 games) or push things back a week or two if needed and still avoid the Olympics.



One of the problems is they won't be able to get the season started January 1st, at least not with meaningful attendance, until the pandemic is deemed under control. Fla is allowing fans, but most states are not, or are at least very limited. That's the biggest unknown. Right now, the Steelers are only permitted to have about 5500 fans. Philly would be in the same area. Other states have different rules.

The other issue is it would be completely unfair to the Sabres. It's not like all teams are going to a bubble. It would be more like the MLB and NFL models where players are restricted, but able to live in their homes. Asking the Sabres to be the only team to sacrifice isn't going to fly unless they receive some heavy compensation, and probably not even then. Not without an end in sight. And it's doubtful the other owner's are interested in kicking anything to them in this environment. Hopefully, the pilot program on the quicker test is successful. Otherwise, it's the reason for a Canadian division. They would only play one another, eliminating the need for anyone to cross the border prior to the playoffs. The other divisions would also only play within their division. Partly for consistency, partly to restrict travel.

They've got to get to the point that COVID is under control enough to allow for crowds. Gates and concessions are vital. It's complicated by two countries being involved, let alone a number of states with different rules.

Yeah, I agree, but, the problem is....getting COVID under control enough to allow full crowds likely isn't happening in 2021....and not sure the league survives (or at least all the teams) without a 2021 season. They can't play to empty stands, but if they can somehow get even partial fans to start the season, that might work. Very tough situation. I also realize I am talking more league specific and less COVID specific. Take the sports aspect out, and there probably aren't many good reasons why, in a disease prevention push, that fans should really be allowed.


The flip side is you have some times who seem to feel that it would be less costly to not play. It's a troubling landscape.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby longtimefan on Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:01 pm

A little about the conflicts and uncertainty surrounding the season.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/291 ... 020-season

The NHL is still developing plans for the 2020-21 season, but there is reportedly disagreement about whether it is worth it at all.

According to Emily Kaplan and Greg Wyshynski of ESPN, multiple owners have argued the NHL will be "better off financially if it shuts down next season" instead of playing in empty arenas as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Commissioner Gary Bettman has reportedly disagreed with this mindset, claiming that would do more long-term damage to the sport similar to the result of lockout seasons.

Though there could still be a shortened season, league sources reportedly believe 48 games will represent the "absolute minimum."


The 48 games makes sense. It's what they did in both shortened seasons.

"I think the ultimate goal is to end up with fans in the arenas. I don't think we'll get to capacity, but I think we'll have enough socially distanced fans," said an NHL source.

One plan could include starting the season in a "hybrid bubble" with four different hubs—three in the United States and one for Canadian teams. Players wouldn't be restricted to hotels, but it would at least limit travel for several months.

This would be a temporary situation before opening things up later in the season.


The NHL at the very least wants spectators for the Stanley Cup playoffs, which would return to the usual 16-team format after 24 teams made the postseason last year.


There are still clearly a lot of moving parts and nothing has been finalized for the upcoming season, only featuring a target date of Jan. 1, 2021, and a goal to complete the season before the Tokyo Olympics in July.

"It's premature to be drawing up plans [when] you don't have a real good idea as to whether they're practical, feasible or going to be put in place," Daly said.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby LimerickPensFan on Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:44 pm

According to Molinari, GMJR apparently okay with an all-Canadian division:

Jim Rutherford praised the way the league executed its "bubble" arrangement for the postseason, and said it gives him reason to believe that whatever it determines about staging the coming season, including having an all-Canadian division, would be acceptable.


From here (pay site but not marked as paying customers only, so you may be able to get in): https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/2020/11/05/penguins-nhl-jim-rutherford-canadian-division-alignment-coronavirus-dkps-dwm
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby Cow_Master66 on Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:00 pm

Considering Penn State can't have a single fan in their 106k stadium, limited capacity at an indoor sporting event is a bit of a stretch....
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby FLPensFan on Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:31 pm

On NHL Radio yesterday, they were talking about the next season and saying players aren't going to go for a bubble again. If they did, it would only be for a short time period. There is no way they would play in bubbles for the whole season. Big reason why was, apparently more in Edmonton than Toronto, but, a lot of the players felt misled about what would be available to them in the bubble. Whether it was down time activities or something else, the guys talking were just saying the expectations laid out to them to get them to go and play in the bubble were quite different when they actually got there.

I also had a call from the Florida Panthers today. They were just talking about how they are aiming for an early 2021 season start, and they are hoping to have a potential schedule in place in the next 30 days.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby Cow_Master66 on Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:00 am

Kudos to the NHL and owners/players with proceeding as if there's going to be a season, but I'll stick by my prediction that they won't play in 2021.

As always, comes down to money - as it should quite frankly - and they can't make any without fans. Don't want to get overly political either, but the people have spoken and prefer to lock down the country (or keep it locked down in some states). There's many many consequences to the fear that's being pushed on us, and one of those is the fact that (some) sports is going bye bye again. Sure football will be fine because they don't need the fans, but the NHL is cooked.

Side question for the masses....Has anyone considering the fact that we may have seen Geno play his last game as a Penguin? It's a possibility whether you want to admit it or not. I'd say the odds are low, but not out of the realm of possibility.
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Re: 2021 Season discussion (start date, # of games, etc)

Postby LimerickPensFan on Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:05 am

I've been seeing rumblings of a vaccine coming out in December. Could be a game changer and could allow the league to open up in January.
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