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Rendell turns up heat for casino-arena link

Postby dboss on Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:39 pm

I never thought I would see this! Looks like someone is feeling the pressure and is following Onorato's lead. How long do you think until Rendell's little puppy Bobby O says the same thing?

http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg ... 663089.stm
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Postby bill from turtle creek on Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:46 pm

Calling O'Connor a puppy is an insult to dogs everywhere. Please retract!
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Postby fourtKNOX on Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:46 pm

politicians are so slimy... whatever it takes to remain in office... backstab go against their words... whatever... I would love to see a politician that mans up for what they have done or said in the past... is the world coming to the pt that there are no human beings like that anymore... :?:

if so... it is very very sad! :cry:
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Postby dboss on Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:48 pm

bill from turtle creek wrote:Calling O'Connor a puppy is an insult to dogs everywhere. Please retract!


I apologize!! You are correct. I will need to apologize to my dogs when I get home from the game tonight.
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Postby Pitts on Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:56 pm

fourtKNOX wrote:politicians are so slimy... whatever it takes to remain in office... backstab go against their words... whatever...


Yeah, but it's getting us a new arena and the Pens for another 40 years!!!!! :twisted:
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Postby Bowser on Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:17 pm

this is nothing but political covering your arse by Rendell.

Too many vague statements made by Rendell and Danny boy to believe they are actually 'pressuring' the other two applicants.
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:21 pm

This is outstanding news!

I expected something like this, what I didn't expect was at the end of the article "The governor also said he was working a separate Plan B package to fund an arena that would not involve slots revenue and hoped to have it completed in the next couple of weeks."

That may even be better than the fact that Barden and FC might step up to the plate with some financing. In that it would give us a safety net (agreed a less attractive one) to nearly Gaurantee an Arena would be built.

My problem with FC providing financing is that I'd be surprised if they offered $290 million. They're pretty astute and if they offered $150 million, that might appease the gaming board enough to still award them the license. I'm not sure what the Pens 'Magic' number (The amount of financing they'd be willing to contribute if push came to shove) is, but I doubt it's $140 Million.

This is getting more interesting every day
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Postby Bowser on Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:32 pm

EPP - There's no way the Penguins go for Rendell's Plan B that has $150 million from Harrah's/Barden and it excludes the $90 million state line item. The Penguins have been very adamant about wanting the same type of deal the Pirates received, which comes to about $47 million of private investment by the ownership. The current group is done in this regard so unless the new owners agree this deal, I believe any Plan B talk is a waste of time and effort.
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:52 pm

Bowser wrote:EPP - There's no way the Penguins go for Rendell's Plan B that has $150 million from Harrah's/Barden and it excludes the $90 million state line item. The Penguins have been very adamant about wanting the same type of deal the Pirates received, which comes to about $47 million of private investment by the ownership. The current group is done in this regard so unless the new owners agree this deal, I believe any Plan B talk is a waste of time and effort.


That's kind of my point. I'm all for IoC. But if the fix *is* in, how can we still build an Barn and retain the team. One way is Barden/FC kicking in, but they'd have to kick in significantly, and I'm doubting they match IoC $290 Million. Rather they may feel that a lower number would eliminate the 'Arena advantage' IoC has and get them back in the game (pardon the pun).

The $47 million number sounds about reasonable as a "Magic Number" for the Pens.

In any case, even if both barden and FC FULLY FUND a new Barn, I still think IoC is the best option for Pittsburgh. It's the only one that rebuilds the lower hill. Remember the Pens vision of an Arena is probably only going to get built if the IoC plan goes through. FC could say "Hey, if we're building an Arena, we're building it on across from "The Point" on the other side of the Ft. Pitt Bridge from the slots parlor. (yes I know all about the traffic jams that would cause, but we're talking FC here)
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Postby Draftnik on Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:05 pm

Bowser wrote:EPP - There's no way the Penguins go for Rendell's Plan B that has $150 million from Harrah's/Barden and it excludes the $90 million state line item. The Penguins have been very adamant about wanting the same type of deal the Pirates received, which comes to about $47 million of private investment by the ownership. The current group is done in this regard so unless the new owners agree this deal, I believe any Plan B talk is a waste of time and effort.


Agree 100%. The Pens will balk at anything less than a virtually free arena. The notion that there is a Plan B that doesn't contain slots $$$ is a joke. For years everybody and their mother has said there is no public $$$ for an arena. Now Rendell re-opened the door on Ridge's $90M in December. O'Connor floated a rental car tax on the Tim Benz show last week. If they are able to craft a plan around those 2 elements it would be a 180 degree turnaround from previous positions.

Onorato and company need to step up and use Harrah's pie in the sky estimates as a noose around their neck. There is no way Harrah's can refuse kicking in serious $$$ if they want to defend their outrageous projections.
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Postby bill from turtle creek on Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:07 pm

I wonder what the Isle of Capri people are thinking about all of these recent developments.
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Postby Jesse on Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:32 pm

Bowser wrote:this is nothing but political covering your arse by Rendell.

Too many vague statements made by Rendell and Danny boy to believe they are actually 'pressuring' the other two applicants.


Agreed. This appears to be political rhetoric.

Rendell is only speaking, not acting.

While this is good news, I'm still not holding my breath.
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Postby Rob UK Pen on Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:45 pm

fourtKNOX wrote:politicians are so slimy... whatever it takes to remain in office... backstab go against their words... whatever... I would love to see a politician that mans up for what they have done or said in the past... is the world coming to the pt that there are no human beings like that anymore... :?:

Sadly I don't think are many like that anymore......politicians are the same the world over. Here in Britain its no different. They say one thing, do another and then they actually attempt to justify it. I actually think they believe all the BS they spout, which is why I have never and will probably never vote for any of them. :x
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Postby netwolf on Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:58 pm

Fomr the article:

Ed Rendell wrote:It would be helpful if all of the different applicants agreed to allocate some dollars to [an arena].


What he meant was, "the would be far less outcry when we give Harrah's the license if they had arena funding in place." :wink:
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Postby spi on Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:04 pm

The only sure thing is IOC and they willl write the check for 290 as soon as they get the license. This is good news but still no gaurentee the pens stay.

We just have to hope that the current ownership stays around until somehting is in place that they can sign onto the lease. If another owner buys and IOC loses, I think the pens are gone.

Good to hear that rendell is talking in favor of an arena though.
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Postby Sleestak on Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:46 pm

Well I don't believe this is any sincere attempt, because as Madden pointed out, it's one thing to offer something toward the arena, but if the amount requires the Penguins to pay an astronomical amount of cash towards it then it will be, as we all suspect, RHETORIC.
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Postby bill from turtle creek on Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:23 pm

I personally don't put any stock in Madden's opinion. He's just pissed off that the other guys have been able to cover the story better than him, and he himself has been in no position to help exert pressure. Granted, he's been sick, but he probably is unhappy that for the most part he's been on the outside looking in when it comes to this whole thing.
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Postby Jasmine on Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:37 pm

I don't believe a word Rendell says. First, Mario is the bad guy because he "won't talk." ha That didn't fly. Then he's going straight to the NHL. haha Daly ripped him a new one. Now, ALL applicants should provide SOME funding for a new arena! hahaha It's all CRAP! This is a man who cannot be trusted . . . the exact OPPOSITE of Mario Lemieux who has given his heart and soul to Pittsburgh and has NEVER been involved with anything that wasn't FIRST CLASS.
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Postby Sleestak on Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:46 pm

Well it really has nothing to do with the fact that Madden said it. He's sensational and I am aware of that, but he said first that what FC will do is offer an amount (around 150million) that will require the pens to pay an amount that is unaffordable. This way the politico slime will be able to pin the pens exodus on their unwillingness to comply with an impossible plan. I just agreed with Madden, I didn't crown him king of kings.
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