Vanbiesbrouck wrote:Although the team played poorly, there was no way they could have won the game with how Fleury played. It could have easily been 6-0 after 2 periods had it not been for a few posts and pucks that hit Fleury and trickled wide.
I'm starting to get a little worried about his development. Sure, he's young, but unless it's a quick reaction save, he looks horrible, even at the NHL level in meaningless games. He kicks rebounds into the slot, can't handle the puck, and has yet to show on a more than game-by-game basis that he can steal one for his team.
Let's hope he can learn from this, get a goalie coach in here, and gte him to the level that he has shown the promise to reach on very few and far between occasions over the past 2 years.
Vanbiesbrouck wrote:Fleury looked lost. Rebounds that trickle wide are one thing, but these were unscreened point shots that squeezed through his legs, etc. The shots that he had to react to quickly, he looked good on. There were at least twice as many soft shots that should have been routine that he misplayed or left soft rebounds.
Nowhere did I say that I expect him to lead a bad defensive team as a 20 year old. However, I've yet to see him show that he can steal wins throughout the season, which could be what will make or break a borderline playoff team that we might be fielding this upcoming season.
As a side note in repsonse to your side note....the post shot I referred to was when Fleury came out to play the puck, tried to play it around the goal to a d-man and shot it off of his own short side post. Later in the game, he played it from the low circle off the side of his own net.
As you said, you weren't at the game, so I'm not sure why you are so quick to critique, but I hope this clears it up for you.
Vanbiesbrouck wrote:Fleury has quickness. I haven't seen any other of the tools yet. He makes great saves on shots that other goalies wouldn't get to. However, he lets in a soft goal just about every game.
As for rebounds, it's an obvious pattern that he kicks shots to the high slot on a regular basis instead of playing them into the corner. There is a lot of scrambling around the net that goes on that wouldn't if he would absorb more shots instead of always kicking them away. The difference between Fleury and Sabourin was most obvious even through only comparing games 3 and 4 in Hershey.
The general critique of Fleury is general because it's become a pattern. As for your question, a goalie stealing a game isn't something that can be quantified. If you've been around the game you don't need it explained to you. It's something the great goalies do and Fleury hasn't done it yet.
Hopefully his skills will improve. All the quickness in the world will get him nowhere if that's all he's got. I hope we don't pay him a contract we'll regret 3 years from now based on that alone, given that I've seen little development as of yet.
Vanbiesbrouck wrote:If a bad team rides a goalie, that goalie is going to have a few good games. Seeing that many shots, it's just got to happen over the course of a season. He's been inconsistent, which is acceptable for a young goalie. However, it's got to improve at some point, and it better be soon if we're going to start talking big bucks for him. Whether he has one or two big games in not a big deal right now, but I hope he can turn it on pretty quick once we expect more from this team.
Your comments are correct. I do fee that quickness is, in fact, that only thing that Fleury has going for him right now. He doesn't play angles all that well yet, surely doesn't control rebounds, and has looked downright foolish trying to read breakaways/penalty shots.
He's still young, but I haven't seen development yet. I'm all for giving him the starting job next year, and surely hope beyond all hope that he becomes an elite goalie for the Pens. However, given the contract he's going to be expecting, he better earn it, and earn it soon. If not, I'm starting to think it might not be a bad idea to jump ship now before the rest of the league realizes that he might just be Craig Hillier in some yellow pads.
Goalie wrote:So he does not steal games but when he does its only because he is on a bad team which gives up a lot of shots so the law of averages say he is due?
I am not trying to be smart about this but if you or anyone else thinks he is living on quickness alone there is a severe misunderstanding of the goaltending position.
Lets not pretend he has never stopped a breakaway earlier, he did struggle in shootouts but he also has stopped his fair share of breakaways.
It would really not be fun to watch a great goalie develop and hit his prime in a different organization knowing that Penguins gave up on him as a 21 year old who played a grand total of 72 NHL games.
Vanbiesbrouck wrote:Goalie wrote:So he does not steal games but when he does its only because he is on a bad team which gives up a lot of shots so the law of averages say he is due?
Vanbiesbrouck wrote:I give him little credit because he's done little to deserve it. In fairness, he hasn't played a full season as a starter and hasn't had a defense in front of him. The quickness he's shown deserves some optimism if he can develop some goaltending skill and sense to go along with it. I hope he's going to develop into one of the best goalies in the league, but I'm cautious about putting all our goaltending eggs into one 4x6 ft. basket.
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