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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:14 am

I wonder if Alex Graves was left out this season due to the rape scene debacle. It seemed that he was either completely unaware that he had just filmed a rape scene, or was in total cover-up mode.

I can understand D&D not directing as they are probably super busy otherwise. It is interesting that instead of being distributed throughout the season, each director is doing back to back episodes. Hopefully that doesn't end up feeling like 5 two hour movies as a result.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby DelPen on Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:45 pm

Has anyone summarized each POV chapters to a tweet? It would be tough but you could probably get the gist of each chapter in 140 characters.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:54 pm

So HBO released this video showing new cast members for Season 5. I'll place it inside of a spoiler tag for anyone that doesn't want to be spoiled.

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I'm not sure if this is *ALL* of the new characters or not.
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If this IS indeed all of the new characters... that would mean that Arianne, all of the Greyjoy uncles, "Griff", "Young Griff" and Quentyn were all cut... which would be somewhat concerning to say the least.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby shafnutz05 on Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:08 pm

I shouldn't have subscribed to ASOIAF on reddit. The theories.... My god, the theories...
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby PensFanInDC on Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:23 pm

Good? Bad? Absurd? All of the above?
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby shafnutz05 on Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:38 pm

PensFanInDC wrote:Good? Bad? Absurd? All of the above?


Yes
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:08 pm

Haha yeah. Some theories make sense, but people are kind of out of control too... Not every single character has a part in some grand conspiracy. If anyone reads Sean T Collins' "All Leather Must Be Boiled" blog, he has some colorful words to describe his base approach to these theories. Not gonna link directly because it's generally chock full of NSFW gifs... many of which are worth viewing the site for on their own, however. :pop:
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby canaan on Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:30 am

Jonathan Pryce as High Sparrow. Yessssss
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Gaucho on Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:22 am

Doctor Bashir!
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:53 pm

So I missed this nugget during the casting news...
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http://winteriscoming.net/2014/07/25/new-cast-members-game-thrones-season-5-announced/
Trystane Martell is Prince Doran’s son and heir to Dorne. His father betrothed him to Myrcella Baratheon as part of the alliance offered by Tywin Lannister, then Hand of the King.


lolwut. Definitely doesn't sound good for Quentyn and Arianne.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby shmenguin on Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:11 am

Quentyn's storyi s the worst. I guess they'll merge it with this dude.

This is an awful lot of dorne with no payoff story wise.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby largegarlic on Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:20 am

As a non-book reader, I don't know who any of the new characters are or anything about the characters who are seemingly left out, but I'm on the side of introducing as few new characters as possible to the show from here on out. The show runners have said they only want to do 7 seasons, 8 max. So, assuming the final season is dedicated to some huge war between the humans and the ice zombies (that's where this has to be going, right?), that leaves only two seasons to get all of the pieces in place for that. Season 4 ended with things in such disarray that I would hope they start working on pulling things back together in the next season to set up the final confrontation, not adding more story lines that need to be wrapped up before the end.

Again, as I've mentioned a couple times in this thread, I'm scarred by the experience of reading Jordan's Wheel of Time series and don't want the same thing to happen the GoT show (Martin can do what he wants in the books...I'm not getting sucked into reading those until they're all complete).
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:44 am

I'm definitely concerned about whether or not Martin will ever actually finish the books. That said, there are some areas of the story that really can't be left out... I mean there is an entire region of Westeros that had only been mentioned in passing in S1-3, and that we saw characters from for the first time in S4.

My guess is that they are combining several of the characters based on the descriptions of the roles, and leaving some things out. I realize they can't include everything (and really, I'm kinda glad cuz there is definitely some filler)... but my concern stems from the fact that they may be doing a lot of "inventing" in regards to certain story lines based on the casting, and the show has generally been at its worst when they stray completely from the books.

A *LOT* of characters died in season 4 though... so adding some new characters is inevitable.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:49 am

I guess what I am trying to say is that while I am all for "streamlining" some aspects of the story, I don't really want to watch a bunch of made up tripe in its place.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby DelPen on Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:29 am

shmenguin wrote:Quentyn's storyi s the worst. I guess they'll merge it with this dude.

This is an awful lot of dorne with no payoff story wise.


What if...

Spoiler:
They get rid of the entire Griff story line and use Dorne rising up instead and completely change the book? That would require Tyrion skipping the whole ride down the river and have him get picked up by Jorah right after the ship he's on docks in wherever, probably Volantis?


Then again...
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We have no good idea what Dorne is going to do, last we left Quentyn is dead and the sand snakes are infiltrating King's Landing.They could take a big part in rising up with Aegon.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:41 pm

DelPen wrote:
shmenguin wrote:Quentyn's storyi s the worst. I guess they'll merge it with this dude.

This is an awful lot of dorne with no payoff story wise.


What if...

Spoiler:
They get rid of the entire Griff story line and use Dorne rising up instead and completely change the book? That would require Tyrion skipping the whole ride down the river and have him get picked up by Jorah right after the ship he's on docks in wherever, probably Volantis?


Then again...
Spoiler:
We have no good idea what Dorne is going to do, last we left Quentyn is dead and the sand snakes are infiltrating King's Landing.They could take a big part in rising up with Aegon.

Note: TWOW spoiler so click at your own risk.
Spoiler:
I believe I linked to the Meereenese Blot awhile back... in one of the essays, they refer to some Arianne content that Martin read at a convention. It sounds like Doran sends her to try to hook up with Aegon.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:43 pm

I've seen a lot of crazy stuff come out of some fan's mouths, but this one regarding casting really bothers me...
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I actually saw someone complaining that the actor cast for Areo Hotah was black, insisting that HBO is racist and just wanted to try to add a minority character. Is it 2014 or 1814? I never even thought about the color of the skin of the actor since... it really doesn't matter. But that's just me.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby DelPen on Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:07 am

the wicked child wrote:I've seen a lot of crazy stuff come out of some fan's mouths, but this one regarding casting really bothers me...
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I actually saw someone complaining that the actor cast for Areo Hotah was black, insisting that HBO is racist and just wanted to try to add a minority character. Is it 2014 or 1814? I never even thought about the color of the skin of the actor since... it really doesn't matter. But that's just me.


It's a valid point...

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Hotah is from the northern part of Essos and is not black, I get combining and changing up some characters but this is a big change from the source.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:14 pm

DelPen wrote:
the wicked child wrote:I've seen a lot of crazy stuff come out of some fan's mouths, but this one regarding casting really bothers me...
Spoiler:
I actually saw someone complaining that the actor cast for Areo Hotah was black, insisting that HBO is racist and just wanted to try to add a minority character. Is it 2014 or 1814? I never even thought about the color of the skin of the actor since... it really doesn't matter. But that's just me.


It's a valid point...

Spoiler:
Hotah is from the northern part of Essos and is not black, I get combining and changing up some characters but this is a big change from the source.

Spoiler:
Hotah is not black in the books. However, does it really matter? Does this impact his character in any manner? I would say no.

And my complaint isn't with the person complaining that the actor doesn't match the book, that's happened ad naseum throughout the show's lifespan. They are stating that HBO is racist and only cast this actor BECAUSE he was black. THAT pisses me off. There is no evidence whatsoever that this was the case, so to go on major tirades against HBO over it is pretty weak, IMO.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:17 pm

It doesnt matter for that character. Should not be a big deal.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Kaizer on Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:51 pm

Tyrion isnt as good looking in the books either, which creates a way bigger gap in the narrative than some guy being black.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby DelPen on Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:26 pm

Kaizer wrote:Tyrion isnt as good looking in the books either, which creates a way bigger gap in the narrative than some guy being black.


That's the biggest change by far. But the show would have never made it past the first season without Dinklage so no one complains.

Make Hotah from the summer isles, fine. Whoopdedoo. I don't care about Dorne.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby blackjack68 on Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:58 am

Mallister actor dies 4 days into shooting.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones- ... 11049.html
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:21 am

It seems a little strange that they aren't planning to recast him, so I assume that he didn't play too major of a role in things. I couldn't remember what he did in the books, so I had to look it up... doesn't seem like a deal breaker necessarily, but hopefully it won't be awkward that he's only around for a few scenes.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby DelPen on Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:14 am

the wicked child wrote:It seems a little strange that they aren't planning to recast him, so I assume that he didn't play too major of a role in things. I couldn't remember what he did in the books, so I had to look it up... doesn't seem like a deal breaker necessarily, but hopefully it won't be awkward that he's only around for a few scenes.


I though they misplelled Allisar referring to Thorne until I looked up the actor. Seems like he just replaced Aemon who is already gone with Sam in thre show, right?

But if...
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They already filmed the election they can write him out, all he served as was another person to split the vote until John was elected, he does nothing after that, didn't recall him at all in Feast or Dance since there is still a bit of Storm not yet done in the show in regards to the wall.
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