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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby blackjack68 on Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:48 pm

Yep, the flags and the meals... GRRM's version of a school kid that has to write a 250- word essay so he uses "very" and "really" a lot.

I really, really, really like tigers. They are very, very scary.

Bleh.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:50 pm

I made peace with this long ago. Martin has only himself to blame. There will definitely be things which are different in the books... but it will be even more painful to read through chapters about people that ultimately don't matter.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Pavel Bure on Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:52 pm

Dickie Dunn wrote:Martin's final book will probably come out a decade after the show is over. I'd expect him to change things to a degree just to give people a reason to read the book. God knows there will at least be a 30 page feast in the book that gets omitted from the show.

That's the reason I couldn't read the books. The silly unneeded detail of every piece of food and every piece of clothing. We get it they had a feast and wore fancy clothes. Get on with it.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Rocco on Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:56 pm

Dickie Dunn wrote:Martin's final book will probably come out a decade after the show is over. I'd expect him to change things to a degree just to give people a reason to read the book. God knows there will at least be a 30 page feast in the book that gets omitted from the show.


By then whoever takes over for the deceased Martin will hopefully omit those parts of the final book.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Dickie Dunn on Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:57 pm

Pavel Bure wrote:
Dickie Dunn wrote:Martin's final book will probably come out a decade after the show is over. I'd expect him to change things to a degree just to give people a reason to read the book. God knows there will at least be a 30 page feast in the book that gets omitted from the show.

That's the reason I couldn't read the books. The silly unneeded detail of every piece of food and every piece of clothing. We get it they had a feast and wore fancy clothes. Get on with it.


I made two attempts at reading "Game of Thrones" and don't think I ever made it to the 100th page. Martin's writing style is too boring and laborious. I like writers that follow some of Elmore Leonard's 10 Rules for Writing.

1. Never open a book with weather.
2. Avoid prologues.
3. Never use a verb other than "said" to carry dialogue.
4. Never use an adverb to modify the verb "said”…he admonished gravely.
5. Keep your exclamation points under control. You are allowed no more than two or three per 100,000 words of prose.
6. Never use the words "suddenly" or "all hell broke loose."
7. Use regional dialect, patois, sparingly.
8. Avoid detailed descriptions of characters.
9. Don't go into great detail describing places and things.
10. Try to leave out the part that readers tend to skip.

My most important rule is one that sums up the 10.

If it sounds like writing, I rewrite it.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby PensFanInDC on Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:03 pm

I like prologues
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:24 pm

I like prologues and descriptions of everything.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby DelPen on Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:32 am

I hope that the descriptions of all the great food will be contrasted further about how much life sucks in the winter and when at war. He's getting there. Westeros sounds like a really bad place to live now.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby GSdrums87 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:31 am

Dude, the prologue to the first book is the thing that sucked me in. That **** was so intense.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby shmenguin on Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:34 am

GSdrums87 wrote:Dude, the prologue to the first book is the thing that sucked me in. That **** was so intense.


yeah, i like his prologues/epilogues. quite a bit.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby PensFanInDC on Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:43 am

GSdrums87 wrote:Dude, the prologue to the first book is the thing that sucked me in. That **** was so intense.


And we haven't had even a taste of it since then...
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby shmenguin on Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:50 am

PensFanInDC wrote:
GSdrums87 wrote:Dude, the prologue to the first book is the thing that sucked me in. That **** was so intense.


And we haven't had even a taste of it since then...


a taste of the intensity? Book 3 was the most intense long-form book I've ever read, probably.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby PensFanInDC on Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:23 am

shmenguin wrote:
PensFanInDC wrote:
GSdrums87 wrote:Dude, the prologue to the first book is the thing that sucked me in. That **** was so intense.


And we haven't had even a taste of it since then...


a taste of the intensity? Book 3 was the most intense long-form book I've ever read, probably.


No no. A taste of the white walkers in the way they were written about in the prologue. I know there have been incidents with them but it wasn't until much much later that we even saw that.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby GSdrums87 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:24 am

PensFanInDC wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
PensFanInDC wrote:
GSdrums87 wrote:Dude, the prologue to the first book is the thing that sucked me in. That **** was so intense.


And we haven't had even a taste of it since then...


a taste of the intensity? Book 3 was the most intense long-form book I've ever read, probably.


No no. A taste of the white walkers in the way they were written about in the prologue. I know there have been incidents with them but it wasn't until much much later that we even saw that.

I hear ya. I subscribe to a theory that they're not even evil. But with winter now here, they should be much more prevalent.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby dagny on Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:07 am

Ack!
Spoiler:
You know nothing, Jon Snow.

:scared:
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Postby dagny on Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:52 am

jaysmiter wrote:
PensFanInDC wrote:
Advice to new readers: Dont get attached to ANYONE!!


Seconded.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Pucks_and_Pols on Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:52 am

dagny wrote:Ack!
Spoiler:
You know nothing, Jon Snow.

:scared:


Spoiler:
Jon Snow lives. One way or another, by the Old Gods or the Red God, he comes back. This is not me being a bitter fanboy, but its just not good story telling to have his character killed off before his linage is truly explored. And him dying and being resurrected may actually give him a loophole out of his vows.

Also, if Stannis had to die, I'm very glad that it was at the hand of Brienne. I very much like the complex layers of Brienne taking out Stannis at Winterfell with a sword forged from the sword of the wrongfully executed Warden of the North (who always insisted on performing executions himself with the same blade) given to her by a King Slayer and taking this action based upon resolute loyalty to a fallen King who by birth order actually had no legitimate claim to the throne in the first place.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Pucks_and_Pols on Fri May 13, 2016 12:32 am

Pucks_and_Pols wrote:
dagny wrote:Ack!
Spoiler:
You know nothing, Jon Snow.

:scared:


Spoiler:
Jon Snow lives. One way or another, by the Old Gods or the Red God, he comes back. This is not me being a bitter fanboy, but its just not good story telling to have his character killed off before his linage is truly explored. And him dying and being resurrected may actually give him a loophole out of his vows.

Also, if Stannis had to die, I'm very glad that it was at the hand of Brienne. I very much like the complex layers of Brienne taking out Stannis at Winterfell with a sword forged from the sword of the wrongfully executed Warden of the North (who always insisted on performing executions himself with the same blade) given to her by a King Slayer and taking this action based upon resolute loyalty to a fallen King who by birth order actually had no legitimate claim to the throne in the first place.


So far in season 6 episode 1 was a little slow, but episodes 2 and 3 were great. Finally got back to the Iron Islands, looking forward to more there. Also finally getting to see what definitely happened at the Tower of Joy is awesome.
Spoiler:
my watch has ended
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Re: George R.R. Martin/Game of Thrones

Postby DelPen on Fri May 13, 2016 1:40 pm

Man, this is weird that we can't spoil the books anymore
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Re: George R.R. Martin/Game of Thrones

Postby Pucks_and_Pols on Tue May 24, 2016 1:09 pm

Hodor
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Re: George R.R. Martin/Game of Thrones

Postby DelPen on Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:08 pm

This season has had a nice and fast pace. It would be nice if the next book was released too.
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