Check my math for the US World Cup. (US-Italy spoiler alert)

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Check my math for the US World Cup. (US-Italy spoiler alert)

Postby CT Mechanic on Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:07 pm

We lose to Italy 1-0 (or 3-2, actual score doesn't matter, just that we are behind by 1 goal) today.

Then, we beat Ghana by 3-0 on our last game. AND, Italy beats the Czechs 3-0 on their last game.

This makes a 3 way tie in 2nd place, with all 3 teams having 3 points. We win with a GD of -1, Czech's have -2 and Ghana with -3.

We advance to the second round.
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Re: Check my math for the US World Cup...

Postby Goalie on Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:32 pm

CT Mechanic wrote:We lose to Italy 1-0 (or 3-2, actual score doesn't matter, just that we are behind by 1 goal) today.

Then, we beat Ghana by 3-0 on our last game. AND, Italy beats the Czechs 3-0 on their last game.

This makes a 3 way tie in 2nd place, with all 3 teams having 3 points. We win with a GD of -1, Czech's have -2 and Ghana with -3.

We advance to the second round.


Simpler Math, 2 wins equals six points.

Without checking tiebreakers to guarantee this I am going to assume that if Italy would be the Czech Republic they can go and play Brazil in the Round of 16 which would be fine with me.
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Postby Rocco on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:11 pm

For some reason, the idea of two wins causes the Mission: Impossible theme to start playing in my head. No idea why.

10 minutes in and the US has avoided conceding yet, so it's an improvement. They're showing a pulse, which is another marked difference from last game. They'll do something dum any minute now.
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Re: Check my math for the US World Cup...

Postby Rob UK Pen on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:13 pm

CT Mechanic wrote:We lose to Italy 1-0 (or 3-2, actual score doesn't matter, just that we are behind by 1 goal) today.

Then, we beat Ghana by 3-0 on our last game. AND, Italy beats the Czechs 3-0 on their last game.

This makes a 3 way tie in 2nd place, with all 3 teams having 3 points. We win with a GD of -1, Czech's have -2 and Ghana with -3.

We advance to the second round.

The numbers stack up right for me, however I've got to agree with Goalie - rather than rely on the scores in the final group games I think the US has got to go for a result tonight. I honestly don't see why they can't earn themselves a point against Italy. They didn't overly impress me against Ghana and I think it's there for the taking. From the sounds of it so far, they have great support in the stadium, so that should help them.
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Postby Rob UK Pen on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:22 pm

Rocco wrote:For some reason, the idea of two wins causes the Mission: Impossible theme to start playing in my head. No idea why.

:lol:

Rocco wrote:10 minutes in and the US has avoided conceding yet, so it's an improvement. They're showing a pulse, which is another marked difference from last game. They'll do something dum any minute now.

I think the US has started well. Italy are starting to show signs of frustration already...oops spoke too soon!
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Postby Rocco on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:24 pm

Well, the US played well enough to get the Italians to start diving. Unfortunately it worked for them.
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Postby Rob UK Pen on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:27 pm

A touch of good luck there! :wink: But probably deserved.
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Postby Rocco on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:28 pm

And Fortune smiled upon the US team, for she is kind and wonderful...
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Postby Rob UK Pen on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:31 pm

She smiles again. No argument about that.

McBride is coming back on, thankfully.
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Postby Rocco on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:34 pm

The US needs to win this now- even a draw would feel disappointing, and Italy are good enough to win w/10 men and 60 minutes left. It's a shame that the US seemed to be getting shooting tips from Frank Lampard before the game, otherwise I'd feel better. :)
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Postby BritishPenguin on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:40 pm

Although the Italians are well renowned for their defensive capabilities, I think the USA may well sneak it. If they put the pressure on then I see no reason as to why they cannot do it.

And a USA win would do absolute wonders for the group, with all tied at three points each going into the final game.
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Postby Rob UK Pen on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:43 pm

I think by taking Totti off the Italian forwards are going to get more isolated as they adopt a more defensive game. Surely it would made for sense to take one of them off and leave Totti to link the play from midfield?

I think you're right though, the US has to make the most of this now but without going all-out. Though I believe they can win tonight, the Italians are of course masters at defending against a man advantage. (Cringingly, and somewhat bizarrely, the English commentator covering the game on TV over here has just described the American's situation as "like being on a powerplay in ice hockey". Quite who's benefit that was for I've no idea.)
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Postby Draftnik on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:45 pm

Is it me or is this an incredibly bizarre game. I haven't seen a team as physical as Italy in this WC but then they all cry like drama queens about any foul. Italy gives the ball away like they still are match fixing. When does Eddie Johnson get the call? We need a finisher. We are pushing forward well but not capitalizing on our chances.

Now the ref evens things up. Is this hockey?
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Postby Rocco on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:47 pm

Okay, Fortune stopped smiling, she's not as nice as I thought. That was utter crap. The Dutch get away with murder and don't get cards.

1-1 at Halftime. I'll grudgingly take it.
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Postby pfim on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:51 pm

I've seen some great games so far this Cup with honest play, little diving, great officiating. This certainly isn't one of them.
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Postby Rob UK Pen on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:51 pm

Draftnik wrote:but then they all cry like drama queens about any foul.

When don't they?! :wink:

Draftnik wrote:Now the ref evens things up. Is this hockey?

Quite possibly, but that was a typical referee's reaction to the first red card. Had he not sent the Italian off, Mastroeni only gets a yellow. Ok, so the challenge was late and dangerous, but I bet you'll see similar fouls go unpunished in this tournament.
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Postby Admin on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:56 pm

Rob UK Pen wrote:Ok, so the challenge was late and dangerous, but I bet you'll see similar fouls go unpunished in this tournament.

Maybe a yellow but straight red is laughable.
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Postby pfim on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:58 pm

Admin wrote:
Rob UK Pen wrote:Ok, so the challenge was late and dangerous, but I bet you'll see similar fouls go unpunished in this tournament.

Maybe a yellow but straight red is laughable.


I seriously thought I had to adjust the color on my TV. It's an absolute joke.
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Postby Admin on Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:59 pm

pfim wrote:It's an absolute joke.

Sort of like Pope's play in the first half...
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Postby pfim on Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:00 pm

Admin wrote:
pfim wrote:It's an absolute joke.

Sort of like Pope's play in the first half...


Yes, that too. I think he had was up before he kicked the ball. I don't remember the last time he played well for the national team.
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Postby Goalie on Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:03 pm

pfim wrote:
Admin wrote:
pfim wrote:It's an absolute joke.

Sort of like Pope's play in the first half...


Yes, that too. I think he had was up before he kicked the ball. I don't remember the last time he played well for the national team.


Yeah, but someone had to play the role of Agoos this year.

Much credit to Arena, if I was coaching my reaction to that red card would have gotten me tossed.
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Postby Admin on Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:04 pm

That solves the Pope problem... :evil:
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Postby Rocco on Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:04 pm

A draw would mean the US would need to beat Ghana (yeah, how hard can that be???) and Italy would have to beat the Czechs.

And now Eddie Pope is sent off. Fortune is kind of a *#$@! right now.
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Postby Rob UK Pen on Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:04 pm

Now that really was a joke!
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Postby pfim on Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:05 pm

Rocco wrote:A draw would mean the US would need to beat Ghana (yeah, how hard can that be???) and Italy would have to beat the Czechs.

And now Eddie Pope is sent off. Fortune is kind of a *#$@! right now.


Has little to do with fortune. I'm guessing it will be 5 on 5 by the 80th.
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