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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby thehockeyguru on Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:13 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:This country is dying

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57552225-38/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title


CNET has learned that Patrick Leahy, the influential Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, has dramatically reshaped his legislation in response to law enforcement concerns. A vote on his bill, which now authorizes warrantless access to Americans' e-mail, is scheduled for next week.

Revised bill highlights:

✭ Grants warrantless access to Americans' electronic correspondence to over 22 federal agencies. Only a subpoena is required, not a search warrant signed by a judge based on probable cause.
✭ Permits state and local law enforcement to warrantlessly access Americans' correspondence stored on systems not offered "to the public," including university networks.
✭ Authorizes any law enforcement agency to access accounts without a warrant -- or subsequent court review -- if they claim "emergency" situations exist.
✭ Says providers "shall notify" law enforcement in advance of any plans to tell their customers that they've been the target of a warrant, order, or subpoena.
✭ Delays notification of customers whose accounts have been accessed from 3 days to "10 business days." This notification can be postponed by up to 360 days.

Leahy's rewritten bill would allow more than 22 agencies -- including the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Communications Commission -- to access Americans' e-mail, Google Docs files, Facebook wall posts, and Twitter direct messages without a search warrant. It also would give the FBI and Homeland Security more authority, in some circumstances, to gain full access to Internet accounts without notifying either the owner or a judge. (CNET obtained the revised draft from a source involved in the negotiations with Leahy.)


At least they didn't mention LGP. Thanks Barry!
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby BigMcK on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:01 pm

tifosi77 wrote:And I assert that there is no really effective deterrent for participation in the underground economy. The players on both sides of argument know and understand the potential impact of any real effort at policing the illegal workforce, and know that impact would be absolutely devastating to the economy.

That is also why I assert here and now that 'immigration reform' will not put an end to that underground economy. Illegal immigrants will still be picking fruit in Ventura Co, will still be framing houses in Temecula, will still be cleaning hotel rooms in Santa Monica..... the economic incentive is simply too great.


The underground economy will also be bolstered by the recent 1/4 cent state-wide sales tax increase and the proposed 1/2 cent sales tax increase in the city to be voted on in March. The increase will drive more people to the underground for general purchases and will further cause tax shortfalls for the city.

To the point that there will be devastation to the economy if the illegal workforce is touched is tough to determine because of the amount of document fraud that occurs in the legal workforce. Manpower expense alone makes it an issue that no one is willing to take on. The system that verifies legality for work is not foolproof and who knows how many illegal aliens have assumed legality and are working under someone else' ID. Costly, very much so. But how much of those costs are recouped by stopping system abuse by those that don't contribute to the system? The underground economy will never tell.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:11 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
And to the first point, that number is almost impossible to calculate because of the fact that 1 illegal immigrant job simply does not equate to 1 citizen collecting a welfare check. It also does not mean that every illegal job represents a job not being held by a citizen.


Who says it does? But you also can't completely ignore that there *is* a social cost to displaced US workers, and these studies don't factor *any* of that in.

Not all ILLEGALS work in the fields picking vegetables... it's kind of demeaning to them to say that they do. Many are working in auto body shops, as welders, etc... I think maybe you're the one who needs to get out more ;)
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Sarcastic on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:20 pm

Some work in the drug industry.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby npv708 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:29 pm

I figured this chart might be helpful for understanding part of ACA a little better:
http://c298054.r54.cf1.rackcdn.com/Defi ... ployee.pdf
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby MRandall25 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:34 pm

http://rt.com/usa/news/us-navy-order-conflict-178/

Why are we sending in the Navy to Israel?

Lol Nobel Peace Prize...
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby GaryRissling on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:37 pm

For those who don't know, Ronaldo is one of the most famous athletes in the world (which means that, yes, he's nailed Paris Hilton and at least one Kardashian). He's also named after Ronald Reagan (last names aren't surnames like we accustomed to in the US).


Cristiano Ronaldo donates €1.5 million to a cause supporting Palestine children! Read more:

The Portuguese forward raised the money from the sale of sports shoes by his club's charity foundation, which will dedicate the funds to schools in Gaza following an auction.

Real Madrid forward Cristiano Ronaldo has donated €1.5 million to Palestinian children in Gaza, the Arabic site of the club's 'Classico' network has revealed.

Ronaldo gave away his golden boot sport shoes which he earned in 2011 to the foundation, which in turn sold the boots at a public auction and will now dedicate the funds to schools in Gaza.


http://sulia.com/channel/soccer/f/519e8 ... ce=twitter
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Gaucho on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:38 pm

I'm surprised he's even heard of Gaza.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby npv708 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:41 pm

MRandall25 wrote:http://rt.com/usa/news/us-navy-order-conflict-178/

Why are we sending in the Navy to Israel?

Lol Nobel Peace Prize...


Did you even read your own article? It's not being sent there to fight...it's being sent there in case of injuries or a potential evacuation of Americans. What a terrible human being he is...
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:44 pm

npv708 wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:http://rt.com/usa/news/us-navy-order-conflict-178/

Why are we sending in the Navy to Israel?

Lol Nobel Peace Prize...


Did you even read your own article? It's not being sent there to fight...it's being sent there in case of injuries or a potential evacuation of Americans. What a terrible human being he is...


can you say "show of force", I *knew* you could... :)
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby MRandall25 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:47 pm

It'll be all fine and dandy until Hamas fires upon them.

The situation is still too volatile.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby GaryRissling on Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:05 pm

wow. something interesting from huffpo:

This week I heard a TV correspondent, who I very much respect and admire, throw back to the studio with the words "as Palestinians call it, the Israeli siege on Gaza." She was standing in Gaza City where Israeli ground forces were surrounding the perimeter of the Strip. Warships surrounded the sea and drones and F16s patrolled the skies above. If there was ever a time to call Gaza under siege with certainty, it was then. Yet as she stood talking about the strikes and the people killed, her need to be balanced at the end made her unable to tell the cold bold truth.

There is a general problem with media when it comes to the Arab-Israeli conflict. The need to sanitize events so as not to be controversial and upset the wrong people, the lack of humanizing the conflict for fear that it will make you look sympathetic or worse empathetic to the Palestinians, which could be career suicide. But not being bold and telling it how it is ultimately is a disservice to the truth and to journalism.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sherine-t ... 67036.html
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Sarcastic on Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:42 pm

GaryRissling wrote:wow. something interesting from huffpo:

This week I heard a TV correspondent, who I very much respect and admire, throw back to the studio with the words "as Palestinians call it, the Israeli siege on Gaza." She was standing in Gaza City where Israeli ground forces were surrounding the perimeter of the Strip. Warships surrounded the sea and drones and F16s patrolled the skies above. If there was ever a time to call Gaza under siege with certainty, it was then. Yet as she stood talking about the strikes and the people killed, her need to be balanced at the end made her unable to tell the cold bold truth.

There is a general problem with media when it comes to the Arab-Israeli conflict. The need to sanitize events so as not to be controversial and upset the wrong people, the lack of humanizing the conflict for fear that it will make you look sympathetic or worse empathetic to the Palestinians, which could be career suicide. But not being bold and telling it how it is ultimately is a disservice to the truth and to journalism.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sherine-t ... 67036.html


Shh. It's taboo to talk about that. But that's been the case for years. Even someone like Ron Paul got called an anti-semite and racist because he wouldn't crawl up AIPAC's butt and was publically critical of Israel. Things aren't always balanced. They shouldn't be reported in a balanced way. That also goes for the Rep/Dem squabble on CNN. Lack of a neutrality and just responsible reporting is such a problem in this country.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby GaryRissling on Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:50 pm

Leahy scuttles bill.

Sen. Patrick Leahy has abandoned his controversial proposal that would grant government agencies more surveillance power -- including warrantless access to Americans' e-mail accounts -- than they possess under current law.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57552 ... ance-bill/

to the displeasure of Obama's justice department.

One person participating in Capitol Hill meetings on this topic told CNET that Justice Department officials have expressed their displeasure about Leahy's original bill. The department is on record as opposing any such requirement: James Baker, the associate deputy attorney general, has publicly warned that requiring a warrant to obtain stored e-mail could have an "adverse impact" on criminal investigations.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Sarcastic on Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:02 pm

Well, some good news.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:48 pm

When are people going to demand an end to this rodeo clown show featuring Matalin and Carville?

Give me two people who aren't a freak'mn side show and can speak intelligently about issues. These two just continually insult your intelligence.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:48 pm

lol.....I haven't seen them in years.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:55 pm

columbia wrote:lol.....I haven't seen them in years.


Turn on CNN... maybe no other guests were available...
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby MWB on Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:33 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:When are people going to demand an end to this rodeo clown show featuring Matalin and Carville?

Give me two people who aren't a freak'mn side show and can speak intelligently about issues. These two just continually insult your intelligence.


Carville is hilarious when he goes on Tony Kornheiser's radio show and picks football games. He more or less makes up his own spread and picks Louisiana schools.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:02 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:Not all ILLEGALS work in the fields picking vegetables... it's kind of demeaning to them to say that they do. Many are working in auto body shops, as welders, etc... I think maybe you're the one who needs to get out more ;)

Tell me more about the myriad ways in which illegal immigrants contribute to the economy, good sir.

Spoiler:
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Sarcastic on Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:04 pm

French protests against gay marriage bill
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20382699

"A child needs a father and a mother, he needs the paternal and the maternal side and with this bill that might not be possible any more," said one protestor, Marthe Vignault.

"That's the way it is and we can't go against nature."

Man. That sounds like something one of ours would say.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Factorial on Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:46 pm

What a maroon:

Kristina Collins, a chiropractor in McLean, Va., said she and her husband planned to closely monitor the business income from their joint practice to avoid crossing the income threshold for higher taxes outlined by President Obama on earnings above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples.

Ms. Collins said she felt torn by being near the cutoff line and disappointed that federal tax policy was providing a disincentive to keep expanding a business she founded in 1998.

“If we’re really close and it’s near the end-year, maybe we’ll just close down for a while and go on vacation,” she said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/19/busin ... d=all&_r=0
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Gaucho on Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:55 pm

Sarcastic wrote:French protests against gay marriage bill
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20382699

"A child needs a father and a mother, he needs the paternal and the maternal side and with this bill that might not be possible any more," said one protestor, Marthe Vignault.

"That's the way it is and we can't go against nature."

Man. That sounds like something one of ours would say.


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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:23 pm

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