Sarcastic wrote:I would take guns away, and then make a law that says if you carry a gun on the street, you get 5 years in jail. That's it.
Under Pennsylvania law, possession of a firearm by someone who is ineligible to possess one (convicted felons, the mentally ill, etc.) is a second-degree felony, which is punishable by up to 10 years in prison. Carrying a concealed firearm without a license (and a license cannot be obtained by someone with a criminal record) is a third-degree felony punishable by up to 7 years in prison. A convicted criminal carrying a concealed firearm would violate both laws. So we already have laws in pace that make it illegal to carry a gun on the street (for those without permits), with penalties that are more stringent than what you are proposing. Hasn’t stopped gun violence, has it?
Shyster, all I need to do is look at the list of countries where people don't generally own guns and the rate that people are getting killed and then us. It is clear that it is the number of guns, registered and unregistered, legal and illegal is a real problem in our country. I understand there are responsible people like yourself, but if it is so easy to buy a gun for most people, smart or stupid, violent or not, then you have a problem. Carrying guys around for most people isn't a good idea, no matter how hard try to argue for it. You may believe it, that's fine, but I never will. As far as crime in Penn, well, I think that proves my point. Even guns purchased legally can be a problem. Or are you saying that most of those were done with illegal weapons -- which would only tell me the gov. needs to hit the illegal gun market much harder than it has. Do you have any stats on how many gun related murders happen with legally purchased weapons? It would be interesting to see. I would consider the thing in Conn. as such, since his mom was a gun enthusiast and legally (I assume) bought hers.
Sarcastic wrote: So there you go. When people say guns don't kill people, people do. That's actually wrong. It's people with guns. Can't lock up everyone, but you sure can take away their stupid weapons.
How do you propose to do that? We don’t have registration lists in this state, so the government does not know who owns guns and who doesn’t. How do you propose the government will find that out? How would you enforce a prohibition? And say I refuse to comply with any mandate to register or surrender my guns. What penalty do you think I should face? How long do you think I should spend in jail, for example?
You have outlined the problem. Nobody knows for sure how many or who has the guns. I would make it a national law. I would do what California did two weeks ago... a drive to get guns off the street in exchange for food, was it? Little by little, I would keep eliminating guns until there were few left. You're right on one thing. It would be really hard to take guns away from some and I would guess we would have a few gun fights with the police down south. Penalties... if you refused to give up your weapon, well, you have the penalties that Penn has on the books. I'd lower it to 3 or 5. I think most people would give away their guns, but considering so many do own, it could mean quiet a few extra people in prison. I'd let all the non-violent druggies out to make room.
Now --- understand this is just my argument from the total opposite to yours and I would be willing to meet you halfway somewhere. But the point I'm trying to make is that there are too many guns, that it is too easy to buy a gun, and that gun violence occurs because guns are available to people whether legally or illegally. Giving guns to everyone isn't going to solve this problem.
That guy from the NRA, by the way. I understand the outrage at his comments. Even Michael Steele, who's pro-gun, chided him saying it was nothing but an ad for the gun industry. Putting armed cops in all schools? What's that going to solve. You'd have to do that to every mall and movie theater and restaurant or basically put a cop on every street corner. Wow, how many guns would that take. Impractical, too costly, and we would then fully transform into a police state. It's much easier to eliminate or severely limit private ownership, IMO.
I mean, all that stuff you say leaves me feeling like you have no answer on how to tackle this problem. Another law I would consider - if we're keeping guns - is one that says you are responsible for your gun. Which means that the mother of that idiot would have been charged along with her son, as it was up to her to safely store the weapon. Maybe whoever buys a gun in a legal store, has to show once a year that he still owns that weapon. I would completely eliminate private gun sales. I would send FBI members to sniff these out and arrest people. There are ways to, if not fully eliminate, limit on who and how can purchase a gun.
I know. Americans like their right to own weapons. No matter how much gun violence happens every single day, they still like their guns. I would think that collectively this country should need to get smarter, give up this right to try to systematically eliminate the number of weapons for the good of everybody. I won't hold my breath. Not with the NRA and the business lobby.
Give me something. How would you help stop this non-stop gun violence that I'm seeing on the news. You can't leave things as they are, and giving more guns to a society that I know you feel is pretty screwed up and more to blame than presence of guns, even, isn't an answer. If it isn't then I would think the opposite is true.