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Postby columbia on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:39 pm

40th anniversary of Roe.

A question for you states rightists:
Do you value the state over the individual on this issue?
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Postby columbia on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:41 pm

Shyster wrote:I want to share this passage from the book Can Gun Control Work? by James B. Jacobs, a professor of constitutional law at New York University School of Law. For those of you who perhaps “don’t get” gun owners, please take a read:

The regulation of weaponry is not just a technical problem. It is a highly charged ideological and emotional issue that carries a tremendous amount of emotional baggage. For American society, the debate over gun control is more like the debates over abortion and school prayer than like a debate over automobile safety. Millions of Americans, including a significant percentage of the intellectual elite, believe that guns are bad in themselves and at worst pathological. For millions of American gun owners, the right to keep and bear arms is connected to freedom and democracy; it is an article of faith similar to the belief that other Americans have in the centrality of the freedom of speech and religion. That many Americans dismiss the right to bear arms as a myth that has no legal or constitutional reality is a challenge to the believers’ worldview and an affront to their very status in American society.

For those of us who view the ability to keep and bear arms as a fundamental natural right, we view attempts to limit that right as no less repugnant as others would view a law requiring them to kneel to and worship a certain god. You may not agree with us, but understand you are facing millions of people who view an attack on the RKBA as a strike against a fundamental component of what it means to be human.



I'm not sure that fundamentalism of any stripe is something to be proud of.
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Postby PensFanInDC on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:54 pm

columbia wrote:40th anniversary of Roe.

A question for you states rightists:
Do you value the state over the individual on this issue?


Yes
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Postby columbia on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:56 pm

+1 for being honest about it.
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Postby ulf on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:59 pm

Factorial wrote:I understand that but which specific tax(s) has gone up for you? Are you 1099? So you have to cover all of your payroll taxes? I'm just tying to understand what you are saying.

The employer portion stayed at 6.2%, it was the employee portion that rose back to 6.2.. covering all his p/r taxes wouldn't mean anything, they went up regardless.
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Postby DelPen on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:08 pm

columbia wrote:40th anniversary of Roe.

A question for you states rightists:
Do you value the state over the individual on this issue?


No but I consider the baby that is killed an individual.
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Postby columbia on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:10 pm

It seems to be a nexus of contradictory thoughts for a certain selection of people.
I find that to be very interesting.
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Postby Tico Rick on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:15 pm

DelPen wrote:
columbia wrote:40th anniversary of Roe.

A question for you states rightists:
Do you value the state over the individual on this issue?


No but I consider the baby that is killed an individual.


I'm guessing you don't define the term "baby" the same way courts of law do.
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Postby Alejandro Rojas on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:16 pm

Yay abortion talk :roll:
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Postby Tico Rick on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:19 pm

Does the fact that the Constitution can be amended tell us anything about the permanence (or lack thereof) of "fundamental natural rights"?
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Postby columbia on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:20 pm

Alejandro Rojas wrote:Yay abortion talk :roll:


It's a convenient vehicle for examining ideological consistency.
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Postby MRandall25 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:21 pm

Tico Rick wrote:Does the fact that the Constitution can be amended tell us anything about the permanence (or lack thereof) of "fundamental natural rights"?


The only time it was truly "amended" was to fix a different amendment that wasn't part of the Bill of Rights and shouldn't have been an amendment in the 1st place (Prohibition)
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Postby DelPen on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:22 pm

Tico Rick wrote:Does the fact that the Constitution can be amended tell us anything about the permanence (or lack thereof) of "fundamental natural rights"?


Nope. It just says that people can be dumb enough to allow the government to deny natural rights if they so chose.

Some empire tried that in the late 1700's though, didn't turn out so well for them.
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Postby columbia on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:25 pm

Who is the arbiter of natural rights?
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Postby Tico Rick on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:25 pm

It's easy to look back today and say the 19th Amendment should not have been passed, but people at the time didn't feel that way, or else they wouldn't have passed it. Doesn't the fact that the Founding Fathers built into the Consititution the capacity to amend it over time speak to the need for the law of the land to change as society itself changes?
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Postby DelPen on Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:06 am

Tico Rick wrote:It's easy to look back today and say the 19th Amendment should not have been passed, but people at the time didn't feel that way, or else they wouldn't have passed it. Doesn't the fact that the Founding Fathers built into the Consititution the capacity to amend it over time speak to the need for the law of the land to change as society itself changes?

It speaks more that the states would never agree to enter the union without the bill of rights. The first 10 ammendments should never be touched.
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Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:39 am

Apparently, former SC Governor Mark Sanford is readying his campaign for re-election to Congress. He was a three term House member (self-imposed term limit) before coming the now shamed former Governor of SC. (Remember his hike along the Appalachian Trail?) He would replace Rep. Tim Scott who took Jim "Heritage Foundation" DeMint's Senate seat.

I think he's a long shot to be reelected, although he was a popular congressman. He refused to rent a house in DC, and slept in his office to save money.

Anyway, the reason for mentioning this in this thread is that this is the first step in his political rehabilitation process. If this is successful, we might see him run for President in 2016 or 2020.

What is the non-SC opinion of Sanford? Do you even have an opinion on him? :lol:
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Postby Alejandro Rojas on Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:25 am

Other than being a cheater he was a good congressman, heck if cheating on your wife kept you out of D.C. there would be no one there.
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Postby DelPen on Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:34 am

He has said repeatedly that he would not run against his ex-wife, Jennie Sanford. I hope Governor Haley gives her a call to convince her to run.
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Postby Alejandro Rojas on Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:45 am

Didn't they base the show "The Good Wife" off of their split?
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Postby mac5155 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:23 am

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/ ... ehensible/

Exactly what is Christie trying to do? at first I appreciated him crossing party lines. but the schtick is getting old
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Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:25 am

Alejandro Rojas wrote:Didn't they base the show "The Good Wife" off of their split?

I'm not sure. On the show, the couple is attempting a reconciliation - not so much for the Sanfords. :lol:

I think I read Jenny Sanford isn't running, so that leaves the door wide open for Mark to run.

Ah, here: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... -congress/
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Postby shafnutz05 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:28 am

mac5155 wrote:http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/17/christie-nra-ad-on-obama-daughters-reprehensible/

Exactly what is Christie trying to do? at first I appreciated him crossing party lines. but the schtick is getting old


He is trying to endear himself to the mainstream media in preparation for a presidential run in 2016.
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Postby Kaizer on Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:32 am

mac5155 wrote:http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/17/christie-nra-ad-on-obama-daughters-reprehensible/

Exactly what is Christie trying to do? at first I appreciated him crossing party lines. but the schtick is getting old


not being an autonomous hater of everything blue is schtick? i dont know, maybe he's trying to appeal to more than the dwindling mass of outrage screaming lib/con that vote party lines on everything. sure would be nice to have two of those to choose from again.
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Postby Alejandro Rojas on Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:32 am

shafnutz05 wrote:
mac5155 wrote:http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/17/christie-nra-ad-on-obama-daughters-reprehensible/

Exactly what is Christie trying to do? at first I appreciated him crossing party lines. but the schtick is getting old


He is trying to endear himself to the mainstream media in preparation for a presidential run in 2016.
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