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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Gaucho on Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:49 pm

North Korea. WTF?
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Shyster on Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:55 pm

A Colorado Congresswoman who is the co-author (along with NY’s Carolyn McCarthy) of a bill banning what she calls “assault magazines” is apparently under the impression that magazines are disposable:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/04/03/congr ... -the-assau

Interestingly, a few months ago on Robert Mangino’s show on KDKA I heard the executive director of the anti-gun group Ceasefire PA make a similar statement that magazines would be “used up” as people fired them.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby shafnutz05 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:17 pm

Gaucho wrote:North Korea. WTF?


For the first time in the entire history of North Korea acting stupid, I am starting to grow concerned.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:30 pm

Shyster wrote:A Colorado Congresswoman who is the co-author (along with NY’s Carolyn McCarthy) of a bill banning what she calls “assault magazines” is apparently under the impression that magazines are disposable:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/04/03/congr ... -the-assau

Interestingly, a few months ago on Robert Mangino’s show on KDKA I heard the executive director of the anti-gun group Ceasefire PA make a similar statement that magazines would be “used up” as people fired them.

:face:

shafnutz05 wrote:
Gaucho wrote:North Korea. WTF?


For the first time in the entire history of North Korea acting stupid, I am starting to grow concerned.

Yeah, they're like extra special goofy of late.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby pensfan1989 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:41 pm

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/pit ... dui/nXBbx/

Police said when they found Richardson slumped over the wheel of a running vehicle he said that he was “going to be mayor” and that the officers were “subservient to the white man.”
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:39 am

http://nation.foxnews.com/harry-reid/2013/04/04/aclu-significant-concerns-reids-gun-law

The inclusion of universal background checks — the poll-tested lynchpin of most Democratic proposals — “raises two significant concerns,” the ACLU’s Chris Calabrese told TheDC Wednesday.

Calabrese — a privacy lobbyist — was first careful to note that the ACLU doesn’t strictly oppose universal background checks for gun purchases. “If you’re going to require a background check, we think it should be effective,” Calabrese explained.

“However, we also believe those checks have to be conducted in a way that protects privacy and civil liberties. So, in that regard, we think the current legislation, the current proposal on universal background checks raises two significant concerns,” he went on.

“The first is that it treats the records for private purchases very differently than purchases made through licensed sellers. Under existing law, most information regarding an approved purchase is destroyed within 24 hours when a licensed seller does a [National Instant Criminal Background Check System] check now,” Calabrese said, “and almost all of it is destroyed within 90 days.”

Calabrese wouldn’t characterize the current legislation’s record-keeping provision as a “national gun registry” — which the White House has denied pursuing — but he did say that such a registry could be “a second step.”

“[U]nfortunately, we have seen in the past that the creation of these types of records leads sometimes to the creation of government databases and collections of personal information on all of us,” Calabrese warned. “That’s not an inevitable result, but we have seen that happen in the past, certainly.”
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Factorial on Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:17 am

ACLU :fist: NRA
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Pitt87 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:31 am

shafnutz05 wrote:http://nation.foxnews.com/harry-reid/2013/04/04/aclu-significant-concerns-reids-gun-law

The inclusion of universal background checks — the poll-tested lynchpin of most Democratic proposals — “raises two significant concerns,” the ACLU’s Chris Calabrese told TheDC Wednesday.

Calabrese — a privacy lobbyist — was first careful to note that the ACLU doesn’t strictly oppose universal background checks for gun purchases. “If you’re going to require a background check, we think it should be effective,” Calabrese explained.

“However, we also believe those checks have to be conducted in a way that protects privacy and civil liberties. So, in that regard, we think the current legislation, the current proposal on universal background checks raises two significant concerns,” he went on.

“The first is that it treats the records for private purchases very differently than purchases made through licensed sellers. Under existing law, most information regarding an approved purchase is destroyed within 24 hours when a licensed seller does a [National Instant Criminal Background Check System] check now,” Calabrese said, “and almost all of it is destroyed within 90 days.”

Calabrese wouldn’t characterize the current legislation’s record-keeping provision as a “national gun registry” — which the White House has denied pursuing — but he did say that such a registry could be “a second step.”

“[U]nfortunately, we have seen in the past that the creation of these types of records leads sometimes to the creation of government databases and collections of personal information on all of us,” Calabrese warned. “That’s not an inevitable result, but we have seen that happen in the past, certainly.”


You know you messed up with the ACLU draws back on a liberal agenda. :scared:
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby AlexPKeaton on Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:39 pm

Great job Obama! Just what we need, corporations with more power! Next step is to simply abolish democracy and have Apple run the entire world.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/0 ... 94410.html
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Shyster on Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:03 pm

As I posted above, anti-gun Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) made an ass of herself by revealing at a forum on guns that she was under the (completely false and preposterous) impression that gun magazines are disposable and will be quickly used up if banned. Her spokeswoman followed up to “clarify” the Congresswoman’s comment and actually made it worse:
“She simply misspoke in referring to ‘magazines,’ when she should have referred to ‘clips,’ which cannot be reused because they don’t have a feeding mechanism,” spokeswoman Juliet Johnson said.

In fact, clips for the most part are every bit as reusable as magazines. For example, M1 Garand en-bloc clips and revolver moon clips can be reused dozens if not hundreds of times. Not only does Congresswoman DeGette have no idea how the devices she wants to ban work, her staff doesn’t either.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:11 pm

Shyster wrote:In fact, clips for the most part are every bit as reusable as magazines. For example, M1 Garand en-bloc clips and revolver moon clips can be reused dozens if not hundreds of times. Not only does Congresswoman DeGette have no idea how the devices she wants to ban work, her staff doesn’t either.


From what you've been saying since the Newtown shootings, this seems to be a common theme.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby DelPen on Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:20 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
Shyster wrote:In fact, clips for the most part are every bit as reusable as magazines. For example, M1 Garand en-bloc clips and revolver moon clips can be reused dozens if not hundreds of times. Not only does Congresswoman DeGette have no idea how the devices she wants to ban work, her staff doesn’t either.


From what you've been saying since the Newtown shootings, this seems to be a common theme.


Biden has already said these laws wouldn't have prevented Newtown and won't stop anything else in the future. They are a burden on the people who are already following the laws and the people who are or will break them don't care.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Shyster on Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:47 pm

DelPen wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:
Shyster wrote:In fact, clips for the most part are every bit as reusable as magazines. For example, M1 Garand en-bloc clips and revolver moon clips can be reused dozens if not hundreds of times. Not only does Congresswoman DeGette have no idea how the devices she wants to ban work, her staff doesn’t either.

From what you've been saying since the Newtown shootings, this seems to be a common theme.

Biden has already said these laws wouldn't have prevented Newtown and won't stop anything else in the future. They are a burden on the people who are already following the laws and the people who are or will break them don't care.

Indeed. Take this provision of Connecticut’s new gun-ban law that was just passed. This is one of the limited ways someone may still possess a “large capacity” (i.e. more than 10 rounds) magazine:
(7) Pursuant to a valid permit to carry a pistol or revolver, provided such large capacity magazine (A) is within a pistol or revolver that was lawfully possessed by the person prior to the effective date of this section, (B) does not extend beyond the bottom of the pistol grip, and (C) contains not more than ten bullets.

So you can keep that 15-round Glock 22 magazine, but you can’t load more than 10 rounds in it. Want to use it as your spare mag when concealed carrying? Nope, it’s only legal when it’s actually in the gun. Want to use that magazine in your smaller Glock 27? Nope, it won’t be legal because the magazine will stick out slightly. Want to trade your existing model 22 in on a new-and-updated Gen4 model? Can’t use that old mag in the new gun, as you didn’t own the new gun prior to the passage of the stupid law. Will criminals follow any of these stupid requirements? Nope. This is just intended to annoy and harass law-abiding gun owners.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:53 pm

Yeah, the "You can only have 10 rounds in your 15 round clip" is just :face:
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:10 pm

Shyster wrote:Not only does Congresswoman DeGette have no idea how the devices she wants to ban work, her staff doesn’t either.

They certainly don't know the difference between a clip and a magazine..... probably didn't even realize there was a difference before this.

DelPen wrote:Biden has already said these laws wouldn't have prevented Newtown and won't stop anything else in the future. They are a burden on the people who are already following the laws and the people who are or will break them don't care.

He also advocates a method of home defense ("go out on your balcony with a shotgun and fire off a few shots") that is illegal.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:18 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
Shyster wrote:Not only does Congresswoman DeGette have no idea how the devices she wants to ban work, her staff doesn’t either.

They certainly don't know the difference between a clip and a magazine..... probably didn't even realize there was a difference before this.


I'm proud to say I had to google this:

http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html


tifosi77 wrote:
DelPen wrote:Biden has already said these laws wouldn't have prevented Newtown and won't stop anything else in the future. They are a burden on the people who are already following the laws and the people who are or will break them don't care.

He also advocates a method of home defense ("go out on your balcony with a shotgun and fire off a few shots") that is illegal.


Biden saying something dumb? Really? You don't say? :)
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Shyster on Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:45 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
Shyster wrote:Not only does Congresswoman DeGette have no idea how the devices she wants to ban work, her staff doesn’t either.

They certainly don't know the difference between a clip and a magazine..... probably didn't even realize there was a difference before this.

I just noticed from the passage I cited that the lawmakers in Connecticut obviously don’t know the difference between bullets and cartridges, either.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Kaizer on Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:49 pm

They certainly don't know the difference between a clip and a magazine


THANK YOU
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:05 pm

I hate when I have to do shad's job and point out shameless pandering by the POTUS....

Obama to take pay cut to draw attention to plight of federal workers facing furloughs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... ml?hpid=z8
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Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:11 pm

columbia wrote:I hate when I have to do shad's job and point out shameless pandering by the POTUS....

Obama to take pay cut to draw attention to plight of federal workers facing furloughs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... ml?hpid=z8


That is absolutely hilarious. 5%? Of his presidential salary? That would be like Tiger Woods "symbolically" giving up 10% of his PGA Tour winnings, when 90+% of his wealth comes from endorsements.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:41 pm

columbia wrote:I hate when I have to do shad's job and point out shameless pandering by the POTUS....

Obama to take pay cut to draw attention to plight of federal workers facing furloughs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... ml?hpid=z8


I try and stay away from discussions involving the compensation and benefits of federal workers on this board. You never know who might be watching. :)
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:44 pm

Jeremy Irons claims gay marriage laws could lead to a father marrying his son
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... s-son.html

What kind of pervert would even think of something like that happening?
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Postby Pucks_and_Pols on Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:16 pm

columbia wrote:Jeremy Irons claims gay marriage laws could lead to a father marrying his son
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... s-son.html

What kind of pervert would even think of something like that happening?

i am sure it will happen. and it will occur at the exact same rate as straight fathers marrying their daughters and other types of incest. being gay doesnt alter your basic moral compass.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Gaucho on Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:26 pm

Pucks_and_Pols wrote:
columbia wrote:Jeremy Irons claims gay marriage laws could lead to a father marrying his son
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... s-son.html

What kind of pervert would even think of something like that happening?

i am sure it will happen. and it will occur at the exact same rate as straight fathers marrying their daughters and other types of incest. being gay doesnt alter your basic moral compass.


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