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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Gaucho on Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:22 am

Hey, the emoticons are back? :shock:
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Postby npv708 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:23 am

I guess today would be an inappropriate day to quote Austin Powers?
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Postby Gaucho on Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:23 am

:scared:
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Postby Gaucho on Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:24 am

Anyways, I think it's about to start drinking.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:27 pm

Watching The Fog of War in history. Pretty interesting view on the wars from Robert McNamara's perspective
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:19 pm

Morrissey wrote:Every move she made was charged by negativity; she destroyed the British manufacturing industry, she hated the miners, she hated the arts, she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die, she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them, she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists, she was the only European political leader who opposed a ban on the ivory trade, she had no wit and no warmth and even her own cabinet booted her out. She gave the order to blow up The Belgrano even though it was outside of the Malvinas Exclusion Zone—and was sailing AWAY from the islands! When the young Argentinean boys aboard The Belgrano had suffered a most appalling and unjust death, Thatcher gave the thumbs-up sign for the British press.

Iron? No. Barbaric? Yes. She hated feminists even though it was largely due to the progression of the women's movement that the British people allowed themselves to accept that a prime minister could actually be female. But because of Thatcher, there will never again be another woman in power in British politics, and rather than opening that particular door for other women, she closed it.

Thatcher will only be fondly remembered by sentimentalists who did not suffer under her leadership, but the majority of British working people have forgotten her already, and the people of Argentina will be celebrating her death. As a matter of recorded fact, Thatcher was a terror without an atom of humanity.


As was mentioned, she wasn't particularly well-liked at home.
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Postby Sarcastic on Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:09 pm

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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Gaucho on Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:32 am

Morrissey wrote:
Thatcher will only be fondly remembered by sentimentalists.


:thumb:
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Postby PensFanInDC on Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:40 pm

It's not really political.....yet

"We have to break through this private idea that kids belong to their parents."

what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N3qtpdSQox0

Can't get youtube embed to work for some reason....
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Postby PensFanInDC on Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:49 pm

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Postby columbia on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:24 pm

The U.S. government sent a man to our door to pay $90 if one of us would answer a few questions and spit in a tube
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2013/04/th ... -door.html
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Postby PensFanInDC on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:43 pm

columbia wrote:The U.S. government sent a man to our door to pay $90 if one of us would answer a few questions and spit in a tube
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2013/04/th ... -door.html


My favorite part:

The government simply wants to "decide how best to use money and staff to solve national health problems." How about not handing out hundreds of thousands of pairs of $45 checks to collect data from the kind of people who don't know how to say no to a government that manipulates them into surrendering their freedom for a handout?
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Postby MWB on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:54 pm

PensFanInDC wrote:It's not really political.....yet

"We have to break through this private idea that kids belong to their parents."

what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N3qtpdSQox0

Can't get youtube embed to work for some reason....


I only viewed the clip and haven't seen any larger context, but it seems like she's just saying the "It takes a village..." line.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Pucks_and_Pols on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:57 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:In my experience, 90% of the nasty comments after prominent political figures die come from the left. Both sides have the extremists that will make an ass out of themselves, but it seems to be much more accepted on a mainstream level when prominent conservatives pass away.

It's sad, but certainly expected.

I absolutely agree with this.

There are exceptions, I think when Fidel finally goes there will be a lot of celebrating, but in general you don't see the same level of nastiness when a Liberal icon dies. (see also: Ted Kennedy)


I call major BS on Ted Kennedy. The amount of chappaquiddick / drunk irish jokes I saw from the right in the wake of his passing was off the charts insensitive to a man who did a whole lot of good (and some bad for sure.) Another big story line I recall was him not deserving a Catholic funeral due to his pro-choice stances. Neither side can claim the moral high ground on this issue.
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Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:13 pm

"some bad for sure" = Driving a vehicle drunk after eight hours with an innocent woman, crashing into a lake, fleeing the scene and leaving the woman to suffer a horrific, painful, and terrifying death (and thankfully not harming others in the process), waiting 10 hours before contacting his lawyer, getting two months probation because he's a member of Camelot, and not showing any remorse for the incident until his memoir the year he died.

He was a drunk and a womanizer his entire life, that didn't change after 1969.
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Postby thehockeyguru on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:22 pm

PensFanInDC wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/justice/texas-college-stabbing/index.html

WE NEED STRICTER KNIFE CONTROL LAWS!


I agree. :D
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Postby Pucks_and_Pols on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:25 pm

I will not try to dispute one single thing you just said. Say all the bad things and dig out all the dirt you want about Ted Kennedy, it means nothing to me, and frankly, means even less to him at this point. What is done is done.


But do not then use the man you are attempting to crucify for his misdeeds, as the shining example of someone whose faults are overlooked upon his passing. Its just not logical my friend.
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Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:27 pm

That's totally fair, but I didn't use Ted Kennedy as the example, EPP did.
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Postby Pucks_and_Pols on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:41 pm

That is a totally fair point as well. I'm not trying to lump everyone together, just trying to move the discussion along. I think the passing of former leaders gives us a nice moment for honest reflection on their lives and what they meant to the people they served. I think the coverage should tend to focus more on their positive attributes and contributions; and it generally does so. This also tends to cause a reflexive backlash among those who disagreed with them, often vehemently, for many years.

In regards to Thatcher, I totally disagree with her politics, but I respect her for being a ground-breaking women who achieved great and unprecedented success in her political endeavors. She was a great ally to our country and acted prudently and wisely to help re-unifie Germany, and end the cold war peacefully. For that I am grateful to her, even though I would have never voted for her had I been in any position to do so.
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Postby columbia on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:49 pm

@Gaucho
How do you imagine the German public will react, when Helmut Kohl dies?
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Postby doublem on Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:18 pm

I was on this board when Ted Kennedy died and I remember people not saying nice things about him.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby redwill on Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:41 pm

Interestingly, I don't remember an excessive amount of bashing when Richard Nixon died. Surely he would have presented a unprecedentedly tasty target, but I don't really recall much nastiness. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention back then.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Gaucho on Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:41 pm

columbia wrote:@Gaucho
How do you imagine the German public will react, when Helmut Kohl dies?


Reserved, I guess. The world will remember him as the "chancellor of unification" (while forgetting that unification was not what the citizens of the GDR were protesting for) as well as the guy who refused to name names in the party finance scandal.
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Postby MRandall25 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:01 pm

redwill wrote:Interestingly, I don't remember an excessive amount of bashing when Richard Nixon died. Surely he would have presented a unprecedentedly tasty target, but I don't really recall much nastiness. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention back then.


It was also 1994, and social media wasn't even a pipe dream yet.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Geezer on Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:07 pm

doublem wrote:I was on this board when Ted Kennedy died and I remember people not saying nice things about him.

The Kopochne family didn't respond with some tribute?
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