Sarcastic wrote:I'm too lazy to look up Australia but according to wiki, guns are still available to own in the UK and the measures taken have resulted in a pretty great result:
The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world. There were 0.07 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010, compared to the 3.0 in the United States (over 40 times higher) and 0.21 in Germany (3x higher).
A few things need to be factored in when talking referencing crime data from the UK.
For the purposes of statistical data analysis in the UK, a crime is only recognized to have been committed if a criminal conviction is obtained. To me that's absurd, but there you go; I believe the UK term for these non-crimes is "Incidents of interest to the police", or some such malarkey. That's not how it happens in the U.S., where all data are used to compile these stats. So you're comparing very selective data vs raw data, and that's going to skew things. If you apply the U.S. method of data collection to the UK, you end up with a much different narrative..... I've seen some studies that indicate that the per 100,000 gun death rate in Britain is actually over 150% of the U.S. rate. (Something like 8.something per 100k)
Another thing to note that sort of ties into that is the historical rate of homicide in Britain has always been quite low (at least as compared to the U.S.), so going from low to even more low, frankly, isn't a particularly useful piece of empirical support.
Also, while the 1997 handgun ban didn't completely eradicate private ownership it did so in probably 98% of cases. The only handguns allowed for private possession are things like curio, museum quality pieces, black powder guns, and the like. Good grief, the UK Olympic shooting team isn't even allowed to practice in most jurisdictions under the ban! They own their pistols, and so have to travel to places like the Isle of Man to train.
Sarcastic wrote:I don't believe that we have less burglaries here because some dumbass is afraid the victim who's in his bed passed out sleeping has a weapon somewhere.
Don't take my word for it, ask convicted burglars. I'm typing this up quickly as I'm getting ready to leave work for the day, but something like 80% of convicted burglars say they have personally made a decision to not burgle a residence because of a potential homeowner with a gun, and something like 2/3 of them report knowing someone who had been physically confronted by a homeowner with a gun.
And in this realm of 'deterrence' the gun in private hands need not even be real. One guy quipped, "If there's a U.S. flag on the outside, there's probably a gun on the inside."
MRandall25 wrote:We've already gone over that Sarcastic. You can't buy a gun from a vendor at a gun show without a background check.
Why don't you read up the tens of articles on this particular issue, including about three I posted a few months ago. You're 100% wrong.
At the risk of stepping in it........ you cannot legally
purchase a gun from an FFL without a background check if that type of gun would require a background check at the FFL's store. It happens, yes. But it is illegal when it happens. And it never prosecuted. I can't possibly explain why, but there you go.