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Postby GaryRissling on Thu May 23, 2013 11:45 am

columbia wrote:Tom Cotton 'Corruption Of Blood' Bill Would Convict Family Members Of Iran Sanctions Violators
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/2 ... _hp_ref=tw

I had to make sure that it wasn't April 1.



Said it before that there is a surprisingly large % of americans that would be perfectly fine with internment camps for muslims.

There are only two ways forward with regards to the course of our foreign policy:

we either continue to go full-tilt with radical neo-conservatism which, in order to proceed requires a strict control over information and will see more reporters in prison, more dictators and war-lords supported with our tax dollars, more innocent men, women and children decimated; more soldiers killed, more civil liberties erased. All with very predicable counter-productivity in terms of quelling terrorist acts at home.

Or we change our approach with the middle east. The first thing I would suggest is to "encourage" ME nations to support liberal policies in terms of private property rights. Eventually, require oil companies to compensate individual land holders for mineral extraction rather than paying the over-lords of those people. Export capitalism rather than militant neo-mercantilism and things will change.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu May 23, 2013 12:00 pm

:shock:
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Postby GaryRissling on Thu May 23, 2013 12:46 pm

Just by way of clarification, this is the journalist to which I was referring. He's been in to this day - at our Nobel Peace Prize-winning President's command - for refusing to keep quiet about what he documented.

While Shaye, 35, had long been known as a brave, independent-minded journalist in Yemen, his collision course with the US government appears to have been set in December 2009. On December 17, the Yemeni government announced that it had conducted a series of strikes against an Al Qaeda training camp in the village of al Majala in Yemen’s southern Abyan province, killing a number of Al Qaeda militants. As the story spread across the world, Shaye traveled to al Majala. What he discovered were the remnants of Tomahawk cruise missiles and cluster bombs, neither of which are in the Yemeni military’s arsenal. He photographed the missile parts, some of them bearing the label “Made in the USA,” and distributed the photos to international media outlets. He revealed that among the victims of the strike were women, children and the elderly. To be exact, fourteen women and twenty-one children were killed. Whether anyone actually active in Al Qaeda was killed remains hotly contested. After conducting his own investigation, Shaye determined that it was a US strike. The Pentagon would not comment on the strike and the Yemeni government repeatedly denied US involvement. But Shaye was later vindicated when Wikileaks released a US diplomatic cable that featured Yemeni officials joking about how they lied to their own parliament about the US role, while President Saleh assured Gen. David Petraeus that his government would continue to lie and say “the bombs are ours, not yours.”

Read more: http://www.thenation.com/article/166757 ... z2U8Pr78xd

http://www.thenation.com/article/166757 ... ison-yemen
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Thu May 23, 2013 1:10 pm

shafnutz05 wrote::shock:


Yes, shocking is one word that comes to mind.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby jf on Thu May 23, 2013 5:41 pm

Pitt87 wrote:
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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation


So this Lerner lady, if she has done nothing illegal or wrong according to her opening statement, is not being called for a capital or infamous crime unless this is bigger than what it appears and she already today lied under oath then and nothing else of the 5th remotely applies then how can she plead the 5th?


So, she didn't lie or break any rules or laws, but will not answer questions in an effort to prevent self-incrimination. Safe to assume that her ties are far deeper into the administration than anyone is willing to report, since she is also the chief administrator of the Affordable Care Act for the IRS. Likely that her testimony would lead to an indictment of more people than just Lois Lerner.

I think she was put on Administrative leave .
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Sarcastic on Fri May 24, 2013 12:59 am

Think it's time to start working on the infrastructure, lol?

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18456081-bridge-collapses-in-washington-state-cars-people-in-water

Bridge collapses in Washington state — cars, people in water

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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Sarcastic on Fri May 24, 2013 1:09 am

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http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130523/US-Obama-National-Security/

The president cast the drone program as crucial in a counterterror effort that will rely less on the widespread deployment of U.S. troops as the war in Afghanistan winds down. But he acknowledged the targeted strikes are no "cure-all" and said he is deeply troubled by the civilians unintentionally killed.

"For me, and those in my chain of command, these deaths will haunt us as long as we live," he said. Before any strike, he said, "there must be near-certainty that no civilians will be killed or injured — the highest standard we can set."

In Pakistan alone, up to 3,336 people have been killed by the unmanned aircraft since 2003, according to the New America Foundation which maintains a database of the strikes. However, the secrecy surrounding the drone program makes it impossible for the public to know for sure how many people have been killed in in strikes, and of those, how many were intended targets.

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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby shafnutz05 on Fri May 24, 2013 7:16 am

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18451142-holder-okd-search-warrant-for-fox-news-reporters-private-emails-official-says?lite

Attorney General Eric Holder signed off on a controversial search warrant that identified Fox News reporter James Rosen as a “possible co-conspirator” in violations of the Espionage Act and authorized seizure of his private emails, a law enforcement official told NBC News on Thursday.

The disclosure of the attorney general’s role came as President Barack Obama, in a major speech on his counterterrorism policy, said Holder had agreed to review Justice Department guidelines governing investigations that involve journalists.


A Justice Department spokeswoman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The Department of Justice later issued a statement about the review of media guidelines: “This review is consistent with Attorney General Holder's long-standing belief that freedom of the press is essential to our democracy," it said. "At the same time, the attorney general believes that leaks of classified information damage our national security and must be investigated using appropriate law enforcement tools. We remain steadfast in our commitment to following all laws and regulations intended to safeguard national security as well as the First Amendment interests of the press in reporting the news and the public in receiving it."


Why not just use the Alien and Sedition Acts and be done with it?
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby DelPen on Fri May 24, 2013 8:20 am

Sarcastic wrote:Think it's time to start working on the infrastructure, lol?

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18456081-bridge-collapses-in-washington-state-cars-people-in-water

Bridge collapses in Washington state — cars, people in water


Search for all the stupid things Washington spent the $8 billion in stimulus on instead of fixing their infrastructure which we were all told was the point of all of it.

The two Senators from Washington also voted against legislation that required transportation funds to be used first on repairs instead of new projects.

But this all may be moot anyways if early reports that this was from negligence by a truck driver colliding with the bridge and causing it to fail. It doesn't look like it simply collapsed.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby DelPen on Fri May 24, 2013 8:22 am

shafnutz05 wrote:http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18451142-holder-okd-search-warrant-for-fox-news-reporters-private-emails-official-says?lite

Attorney General Eric Holder signed off on a controversial search warrant that identified Fox News reporter James Rosen as a “possible co-conspirator” in violations of the Espionage Act and authorized seizure of his private emails, a law enforcement official told NBC News on Thursday.

The disclosure of the attorney general’s role came as President Barack Obama, in a major speech on his counterterrorism policy, said Holder had agreed to review Justice Department guidelines governing investigations that involve journalists.


A Justice Department spokeswoman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The Department of Justice later issued a statement about the review of media guidelines: “This review is consistent with Attorney General Holder's long-standing belief that freedom of the press is essential to our democracy," it said. "At the same time, the attorney general believes that leaks of classified information damage our national security and must be investigated using appropriate law enforcement tools. We remain steadfast in our commitment to following all laws and regulations intended to safeguard national security as well as the First Amendment interests of the press in reporting the news and the public in receiving it."


Why not just use the Alien and Sedition Acts and be done with it?


Reporters aren't leaking national security issues, they are doing their job and reporting what is given to them. That's protected under the Constitution. Glad to see at least the press is seeing this as an abuse of power but only because it's them who are victims this time.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby GaryRissling on Fri May 24, 2013 8:56 am

The issue of press freedom is, IMO, one of the most important issues of the day. From the imprisonment-by-proxy of the Yemeni reporter who documented a US cruise missile and cluster bombing of a village, to the payment embargo of Wikileaks, to the persecution of Assange, to the AP/Fox surveillance prosecution scandal; it is a disturbing trend.

We need more accountability for our elected officials, not less. This is why WL is important. And kudos to the New Yorker for developing their seemingly state-of-the-art anonymous e-document drop as well.
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Postby tifosi77 on Fri May 24, 2013 11:00 am

Isn't the New Yorker's 'box' pretty much a copy of the system WikiLeaks uses?
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Postby pensfan1989 on Fri May 24, 2013 11:04 am

DelPen wrote:
Sarcastic wrote:Think it's time to start working on the infrastructure, lol?

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18456081-bridge-collapses-in-washington-state-cars-people-in-water

Bridge collapses in Washington state — cars, people in water


Search for all the stupid things Washington spent the $8 billion in stimulus on instead of fixing their infrastructure which we were all told was the point of all of it.

The two Senators from Washington also voted against legislation that required transportation funds to be used first on repairs instead of new projects.

But this all may be moot anyways if early reports that this was from negligence by a truck driver colliding with the bridge and causing it to fail. It doesn't look like it simply collapsed.


My undergrad is in Civil Engineering. It appears that it was not a structural failure based on the way it collapsed and was limited to one section. It is worth noting that the deck of this particular bridge was deficient in the last survey, but this is not a deck-initiated collapse.

I believe that it was hit by an oversize vehicle.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby GaryRissling on Fri May 24, 2013 11:07 am

It seems to be a step ahead:

The drop box is already a leap ahead of the technology used by WikiLeaks in that it allows for a two-way communication between source and journalist, and not just a one-way handing over of information. Sources are able to upload documents anonymously through the Tor network onto servers that will be kept separate from the New Yorker's main computer system. Leakers are then given a unique code name that allows New Yorker reporters or editors to contact them through messages left on Strongbox.
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Postby GaryRissling on Fri May 24, 2013 11:20 am

Add to that the fact that at least some of the code was designed by Aaron Scwartz, and it becomes an awesome legacy for another guy that was punitively persecuted by Holder.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Pitt87 on Fri May 24, 2013 1:30 pm

jf wrote:
Pitt87 wrote:
DelPen wrote:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation


So this Lerner lady, if she has done nothing illegal or wrong according to her opening statement, is not being called for a capital or infamous crime unless this is bigger than what it appears and she already today lied under oath then and nothing else of the 5th remotely applies then how can she plead the 5th?


So, she didn't lie or break any rules or laws, but will not answer questions in an effort to prevent self-incrimination. Safe to assume that her ties are far deeper into the administration than anyone is willing to report, since she is also the chief administrator of the Affordable Care Act for the IRS. Likely that her testimony would lead to an indictment of more people than just Lois Lerner.

I think she was put on Administrative leave .


Yeah, she refused to resign. And Apparently Issa wants to drag her back in and compel her to testify. Apparently they advised that he would give her the opportunity to refuse without testifying and she chose to give an opening statement, which he will assert was testimony and requires that she answer questions about her comments.

She also responded multiple times to questions and she confirmed her testimony. I think they may get her on this and compel her to respond.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Sarcastic on Fri May 24, 2013 1:55 pm

pensfan1989 wrote:
DelPen wrote:
Sarcastic wrote:Think it's time to start working on the infrastructure, lol?

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18456081-bridge-collapses-in-washington-state-cars-people-in-water

Bridge collapses in Washington state — cars, people in water


Search for all the stupid things Washington spent the $8 billion in stimulus on instead of fixing their infrastructure which we were all told was the point of all of it.

The two Senators from Washington also voted against legislation that required transportation funds to be used first on repairs instead of new projects.

But this all may be moot anyways if early reports that this was from negligence by a truck driver colliding with the bridge and causing it to fail. It doesn't look like it simply collapsed.


My undergrad is in Civil Engineering. It appears that it was not a structural failure based on the way it collapsed and was limited to one section. It is worth noting that the deck of this particular bridge was deficient in the last survey, but this is not a deck-initiated collapse.

I believe that it was hit by an oversize vehicle.


I believe that if a vehicle can hit bridge and make it collapse, it is due to structural failure. :scared:
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Fri May 24, 2013 4:17 pm

Anthony Weiner's Campaign Website Features Photo Of Pittsburgh Skyline
http://gothamist.com/2013/05/23/anthony ... ite_fe.php
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Postby Factorial on Sat May 25, 2013 7:49 am

DelPen wrote:Interesting plan the House GOP just passed. I'm not sure the legality of suspended the Debt ceiling but I do like that they voted to stop their own paychecks if there's no budget passed by April 15. I wonder how many people know the Senate hasn't passed a budget in over 4 years?


Latest news on the budget:

Republicans made the failure of Senate Democrats to pass a budget a central talking point in the 2012 campaign, going so far this year as to pass legislation withholding Congressional pay if budgets were not approved this spring. Now, some Republicans say the fact that members of their own party are standing in the way of a House-Senate conference committee undermines their fiscal message.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/us/po ... ml?hp&_r=0
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Postby columbia on Sat May 25, 2013 9:47 am

There's nothing like big government doing the dirty work for corporations...


Illinois illegally seizes bees resistant to Monsanto’s Roundup; Kills remaining Queens
http://www.globalresearch.ca/illinois-i ... ns/5336210
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Postby Kaizer on Sat May 25, 2013 10:11 am

columbia wrote:There's nothing like big government doing the dirty work for corporations...


Illinois illegally seizes bees resistant to Monsanto’s Roundup; Kills remaining Queens
http://www.globalresearch.ca/illinois-i ... ns/5336210


what the monkey ****? they just ruined that guys life over something totally insignificant to them. i hope hes pressing charges or raising a roundup-immune bee army.
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Postby Hockeynut! on Sat May 25, 2013 10:53 am

I don't think what they did was right at all, but isn't the roundup "vaccine" all about trying to prevent colony collapse, which was wiping out all of the honeybees a few years ago?
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Sat May 25, 2013 11:47 am

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/1 ... 02713.html

I have a lot of mixed feelings about this. First of all, I've always thought that there ought to be some form of "sliding scale" on age difference in these cases. It never seemed right to me that a 17 yr 11 month old person was treated differently than an 18 year old with respect to having relations with someone, say 18 months younger.

However, if you're going to have laws like this, they need to be enforced equally without regard for gender.

Seems like there's a large contingent of people who think this girl should get a "pass" simply because its female/female.

I totally disagree with some of the statements made by people interviewed that it would have been overlooked if it were male/female. Let me correct that, if it had been an older male and a younger female, I believe it would have been persued, an 18 year old female and a younger boy, that would have been overlooked 99 times out of a 100.
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Postby Hockeynut! on Sat May 25, 2013 12:13 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:I totally disagree with some of the statements made by people interviewed that it would have been overlooked if it were male/female. Let me correct that, if it had been an older male and a younger female, I believe it would have been persued, an 18 year old female and a younger boy, that would have been overlooked 99 times out of a 100.


Totally agree on all accounts. If an older girl has sex with a younger male, no one raises an eyebrow.

I really think the laws need to be changed. A 15/16 year old today isn't remotely as innocent as the same teenager 40 years ago.
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Postby Sarcastic on Sat May 25, 2013 4:51 pm

EPP, they are destryoing the life of a young girl and why.. because she and her g/f gave themselves some pleasure. This morality they try to shove in our faces in the USA, all pretend, all fake, is really annoying me. Can't drink a beer until you're 21. Can't say this or that. We should start taking clues from other nations because we are turning into a backward nation and if the conservatives and the religious right get their way, it's gonna get worse. Time for Liberals to kick some ass for a change. Gay rights, lower drinking age, pot, this ridiculous statutory rape stuff that pretends to catch bad people but does nothing but destroy lives of young kids. There is a difference between "rape" and a teen girl having herself some fun. I think the average age in the US is either 16 or 17, and many girls get interested in that stuff younger than that. They need to get rid of the statutory rape law and if a rape occurs, any rape, rule on that.
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