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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:34 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
tifosi77 wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:Showing support for the sitting administration is tolerated and even encouraged.

Um....... where and how?

Really? You need step by step instructions on how to get subordinates to support your causes without explicitly telling them to do so?

I don't really want instructions. A few concrete examples of it happening in the ranks to support your assertion will suffice.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:39 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:
tifosi77 wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:Showing support for the sitting administration is tolerated and even encouraged.

Um....... where and how?

Really? You need step by step instructions on how to get subordinates to support your causes without explicitly telling them to do so?

I don't really want instructions. A few concrete examples of it happening in the ranks to support your assertion will suffice.

Let me just concede that your point that subordinates never try and ingratiate themselves to their superiors for the purposes of advancement.

You can now eliminate "Ass Kissing" from the popular lexicon.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:44 pm

Wait, now you're talking about affirmative actions on the part of the subordinates - for their own self-interested purposes of career advancement - rather than the coercive assertion of authority requiring action contrary to the subordinates' beliefs by those up the chain of command?

I don't mean to be snarky here, but I'm not following your line of thought at all.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:12 pm

tifosi77 wrote:Wait, now you're talking about affirmative actions on the part of the subordinates - for their own self-interested purposes of career advancement - rather than the coercive assertion of authority requiring action contrary to the subordinates' beliefs by those up the chain of command?

I don't mean to be snarky here, but I'm not following your line of thought at all.


Coerced.

If my OIC has a new Obama Bumper sticker and is reading "Dreams of my Father", it certainly encourages advancement minded individuals to express complimentary opinions and values.

Look, all I'm saying is that if you're going to prohibit political expression, you have to do it agnostically.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:27 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:Look, all I'm saying is that if you're going to prohibit political expression, you have to do it agnostically.

Okay, um....... that's no different to what we've been saying all along.

If a member is displaying material and expressing positions similar to what Sommers was doing - but in support of the current administration instead of in opposition - they'd be just as guilty of breaking the rules and should be reprimanded accordingly. The rule breaking has nothing to do with the position itself but rather the expression of an opinion in a public way that contravenes rules of conduct for the uniformed military (and I think to a certain extent all federal employees, for that matter).
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:36 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:Look, all I'm saying is that if you're going to prohibit political expression, you have to do it agnostically.

Okay, um....... that's no different to what we've been saying all along.


Not everyone.

shafnutz05 wrote:Back in 2004, I had a Bush Cheney sticker on my truck. If it would have been Kerry Edwards no biggie. But in the military there is a certain line you cannot cross.


Also

tifosi77 wrote:If a member is displaying material and expressing positions similar to what Sommers was doing - but in support of the current administration instead of in opposition - they'd be just as guilty of breaking the rules and should be reprimanded accordingly. The rule breaking has nothing to do with the position itself but rather the expression of an opinion in a public way that contravenes rules of conduct for the uniformed military (and I think to a certain extent all federal employees, for that matter).



Do you honestly believe that the policy is being enforced in that fashion?

My personal experience, having been on a number of US military installations in the course of my business over the last few years, is that it most definitely is not.

But that's just my anecdotal experience.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Sarcastic on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:58 pm

All I know is that if I were in the military and looking to advance my career, I would be as pro-current president and his policy as I could because I would know there could be problems otherwise. Reading more on the story right now, I think that point is pretty valid. :scared:

What I understand from looking at your discussion is that the question is whether the soldier would have gotten into this much trouble if he instead had an Obama sticker on his car and I would say likely 'no'.

I'm trying to learn more on this story only now because I really don't like the military. There are some in Congress trying to pass an amendment to help the soldier.

http://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2013/06/11/congressman-antigay-soldiers-being-singled-out-for-punishment-n1617608
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:19 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
tifosi77 wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:Look, all I'm saying is that if you're going to prohibit political expression, you have to do it agnostically.

Okay, um....... that's no different to what we've been saying all along.


Not everyone.

shafnutz05 wrote:Back in 2004, I had a Bush Cheney sticker on my truck. If it would have been Kerry Edwards no biggie. But in the military there is a certain line you cannot cross.

I'm going to have to bow out of this because I genuinely have no idea what your point is anymore.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Shyster on Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:48 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:I think it's a little funny that I haven't watched Hannity in years (outside of trips to my wife's FNC loving grandparents), and I don't really listen to rush and the like either.

Even before I was pushed from being a Republican into the Libertarian column, I thought Hannity was a complete tool bag. He's way worse than Limbaugh, IMO.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:54 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:I think it's a little funny that I haven't watched Hannity in years (outside of trips to my wife's FNC loving grandparents), and I don't really listen to rush and the like either.


I listen to Rush a couple times a week. :)
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:59 pm

Still stuck with a broken car radio. I can listen to the liberal morning radio show for a while, cos I think they're genuinely funny. But I tune them out when they actually start talking politics in any detail; substantive they are not. I can only handle Limbaugh, Hannity and Levin (who is, imo, the worst of the three) for about 4-5 minutes tops before I feel like punching my car.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:59 pm

columbia wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:I think it's a little funny that I haven't watched Hannity in years (outside of trips to my wife's FNC loving grandparents), and I don't really listen to rush and the like either.


I listen to Rush a couple times a week. :)


Rush actually has a great sense of humor. Sean does not.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:00 pm

EIB.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Kaizer on Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:10 pm

Sarcastic wrote:All I know is that if I were in the military and looking to advance my career, I would be as pro-current president and his policy as I could because I would know there could be problems otherwise. Reading more on the story right now, I think that point is pretty valid. :scared:

What I understand from looking at your discussion is that the question is whether the soldier would have gotten into this much trouble if he instead had an Obama sticker on his car and I would say likely 'no'.

I'm trying to learn more on this story only now because I really don't like the military. There are some in Congress trying to pass an amendment to help the soldier.

http://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2013/06/11/congressman-antigay-soldiers-being-singled-out-for-punishment-n1617608


being "pro" the current president wouldnt advance you one iota unless you were a General Officer in line for an appointment to something that can only come from the white house.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Sarcastic on Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:32 pm

Kaizer wrote:
Sarcastic wrote:All I know is that if I were in the military and looking to advance my career, I would be as pro-current president and his policy as I could because I would know there could be problems otherwise. Reading more on the story right now, I think that point is pretty valid. :scared:

What I understand from looking at your discussion is that the question is whether the soldier would have gotten into this much trouble if he instead had an Obama sticker on his car and I would say likely 'no'.

I'm trying to learn more on this story only now because I really don't like the military. There are some in Congress trying to pass an amendment to help the soldier.

http://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2013/06/11/congressman-antigay-soldiers-being-singled-out-for-punishment-n1617608


being "pro" the current president wouldnt advance you one iota unless you were a General Officer in line for an appointment to something that can only come from the white house.


you're right. a grunt is a grunt. shut up and do your pushups. but i'm sure it would make things a lot more comfortable.
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Postby columbia on Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:20 pm

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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:24 pm

That "Number of Warrants Rejected" data point is a dandy.
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Postby columbia on Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:30 pm

Apparently, it's a deeply deliberative body.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Kaizer on Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:14 pm

Sarcastic wrote:
Kaizer wrote:
Sarcastic wrote:All I know is that if I were in the military and looking to advance my career, I would be as pro-current president and his policy as I could because I would know there could be problems otherwise. Reading more on the story right now, I think that point is pretty valid. :scared:

What I understand from looking at your discussion is that the question is whether the soldier would have gotten into this much trouble if he instead had an Obama sticker on his car and I would say likely 'no'.

I'm trying to learn more on this story only now because I really don't like the military. There are some in Congress trying to pass an amendment to help the soldier.

http://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2013/06/11/congressman-antigay-soldiers-being-singled-out-for-punishment-n1617608


being "pro" the current president wouldnt advance you one iota unless you were a General Officer in line for an appointment to something that can only come from the white house.


you're right. a grunt is a grunt. shut up and do your pushups. but i'm sure it would make things a lot more comfortable.


Not many people bother to ask in my experience, much less give a ****. Never have I seen it affect morale. If it did with this guy, its because he was likely the senior enlisted soldier in his unit, used to speaking his mind about whatever he wanted, and the gay junior troops would surely be put off by that.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:07 pm

Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-lawmakers ... 59267.html
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Sarcastic on Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:14 pm

columbia wrote:Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-lawmakers ... 59267.html


Holy crap. I would think gay rights would at least get 2 votes.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:34 pm

Dear NSA, you can do whatever with my data. But not with my eyes. Those slides are hideous.
http://www.slideshare.net/EmilandDC/dea ... ke-care-ou
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Gaucho on Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:57 am

columbia wrote:Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-lawmakers ... 59267.html


Model democracy.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:23 am

columbia wrote:Dear NSA, you can do whatever with my data. But not with my eyes. Those slides are hideous.
http://www.slideshare.net/EmilandDC/dea ... ke-care-ou

Is it wrong of me that this is one of the things that I was upset with when talking about the program with Mrs Tif?

I mean....... Power Point isn't that hard, guys. Come on. :lol:
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:26 am

"They are violating a raft of Constitutional rights, they are vesting the Executive with frightening powers, they are becoming what we once beheld...... and their deck is an eyesore!"
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