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Postby shafnutz05 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:42 pm

columbia wrote:The left turns compliant on violating civil liberties
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... days-opeds


It's absolutely shameful and pathetic, but Republicans are just as guilty of it in reverse. There are honest people on both sides that have stayed consistent, but that's not the norm.

On a side note, Peter King is a despicable human being.
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Postby BigMcK on Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:50 pm

What amazes me is how there were no leaks regarding the increased phone record 'requests' made to Verizon by any Verizon employee. Is it really just business as usual at the phone company when the government is mining so much data on so many people? Or does the government just hook into Verizon's database and just take what it wants without assistance from a Verizon employee?
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Postby tifosi77 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:04 pm

Factorial wrote:
GaryRissling wrote:I wouldn't count on it either...but seeing how similar Obama has been to bush in many significant ways; even idiots might, just might, realize Hillary will be more of the same.

...yeah, probably not.


Well, Obama is very different than Bush as far as what is important to me so I suppose it depends.

columbia wrote:The left turns compliant on violating civil liberties
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... days-opeds

That is an absolutely terrifying rationale.

"It's ok when my guy does it. But screw your guy when he tries it."

What kind of half-baked nonsense is that?
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Postby Troy Loney on Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:06 pm

tifosi77 wrote:What kind of half-baked nonsense is that?



Is that a rhetorical question? The two party system.
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Postby Factorial on Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:21 pm

The South China Morning Post, a local newspaper, reported on Friday that Edward J. Snowden, the contractor, had shared detailed data showing the dates and Internet Protocol addresses of specific computers in mainland China and Hong Kong that the National Security Agency penetrated over the last four years. The data also showed whether the agency was still breaking into these computers, the success rates for hacking and other operational information.


How long before this data goes directly to the Chinese government?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/15/world ... ml?hp&_r=0
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Postby Sarcastic on Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:25 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
columbia wrote:Not that it really matters, but....

NSA leaker Snowden is lying, say leaders of House Intelligence Committee
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/30540 ... z2WCzVXNTC


"I hope that we don't decide that our national security interests are going to be determined by a high-school dropout who had a whole series of both academic troubles and employment troubles," Rogers said.


Seriously? Lets turn the attention away from the program itself and tuen the nations attention to the messenger. :face:


Scare tactics for future leakers. So the fat cats in power.. could hold onto power.
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Postby Rylan on Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:26 pm

The more they try to make him look bad, the more obvious to me that they **** up.
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Postby Sarcastic on Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:31 pm

BigMcK wrote:What amazes me is how there were no leaks regarding the increased phone record 'requests' made to Verizon by any Verizon employee. Is it really just business as usual at the phone company when the government is mining so much data on so many people? Or does the government just hook into Verizon's database and just take what it wants without assistance from a Verizon employee?


As we learned, it's not just Verizon.

One question I have is if these companies willingly agree with this, as in, are on the same page with the gov. or if they are (forcibly) coerced into complying.
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Postby Sarcastic on Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:46 pm

Not sure if this was posted here or not, but this is news to me.

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/12/18925384-secret-court-wont-object-to-release-of-opinion-on-illegal-surveillance

In a rare public ruling by the nation’s most secretive judicial body, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court ruled Wednesday that it did not object to the release of a classified 86-page opinion concluding that some of the U.S. government’s surveillance activities were unconstitutional.

The ruling, signed by the court’s chief judge, Reggie Walton, rejected the Justice Department’s arguments that the secret national security court’s rules prevented disclosure of the opinion. Instead, the court found that because the document was in the possession of the Justice Department, it was subject to release under the Freedom of Information Act.
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Postby Sarcastic on Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:54 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:Obama to authorize aid to Syrian Rebels:

The Obama administration could give the rebels a range of weapons, including small arms, assault rifles, shoulder-fired rocket-propelled grenades and other anti-tank missiles. The opposition forces could operate most of that equipment without significant training.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStor ... s-19395758

Wunnerfool


So Russia is sending the Syrian government missiles and we are sending the rebels whatever we are sending them. Fun.

I'm also not sure about the claim Syrian government used a chemical weapon.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/14/18955554-us-military-officials-say-help-for-syria-likely-to-escalate-gradually

Earlier Friday, Syria said that the United States was lying about the regime's use of chemical weapons, while Russia called the claims unconvincing — a dramatic turn in the two-year conflict.

"The United States, in resorting to a shameful use of pretexts in order to allow President Obama's decision to arm the Syrian opposition, shows that it has flagrant double standards in the way it deals with terrorism," Syria's foreign ministry said.

Syria has maintained that "terrorists" are using the chemical weapons.

Russia, which has opposed sanctions and vetoed U.N. Security Council resolutions to put pressure on Assad, reacted with skepticism to the White House's announcement.

President Vladimir Putin's senior foreign policy adviser said Friday that the information the U.S. has "does not look convincing."
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Postby tifosi77 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:40 pm

The problem with the claim is that the evidence suggests sarin gas was used. The reason this is a problem is sarin was not previously believed to be something in the Syrian inventory prior to this civil war. It is, however, something that the rebels are believed to have obtained. So the worry is that a rebel faction has deployed the nerve agent in limited quantities in civilian populations to make it look like Asad's forces did it in the hopes of provoking the West into direct action against the regime. So there's that.
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Postby BigMcK on Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:00 pm

Any mention if the gas was courtesy of the former Iraq regime?
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Postby Sarcastic on Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:09 pm

Syrian rebels say they need heavy weaponry from U.S.
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Syrian-rebels-say-they-need-heavy-weaponry-from-US.html

Let's send them tanks! And one of those giant boats with airplanes on it!
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Postby Sarcastic on Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:14 pm

http://www.pressherald.com/politics/US-House-passes-sweeping-638-billion-defense-bill.html

Shocking statistics that as many as 26,000 military members may have been sexually assaulted last year....

The House bill would require a mandatory minimum sentence of two years in prison for a member of the armed services convicted of rape or sexual assault in a military court.

Officers, commissioned warrant officers, cadets and midshipmen convicted of rape, sexual assault, forcible sodomy or attempts to commit those offenses also would be dismissed. Enlisted personnel and noncommissioned warrant officers convicted of similar crimes would be dishonorably discharged.

The bill also would strip military commanders of the power to overturn convictions in rape and sexual assault cases.
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Postby Shyster on Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:18 pm

Factorial wrote:Just because people don't agree with you on what is important to them, they are sheep? You are an outlier, deal with it.

Assuming that poll is accurate, more than 40% of the populace is on my side. That hardly makes me an outlier.
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Postby tifosi77 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:54 pm

BigMcK wrote:Any mention if the gas was courtesy of the former Iraq regime?

The only reference to Iraq possessing sarin after the 1991 Gulf War was the now largely discredited 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) upon which mush of the justification for the 2003 invasion was dependent. It claimed Iraq had as much as 500 metric tons of the stuff, no trace of which was ever found in ten years of occupation.
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Postby Gaucho on Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:01 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:apparantly for atleast one person.

make that at least two.


Hm. Who's the other?
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Postby shafnutz05 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:01 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
BigMcK wrote:Any mention if the gas was courtesy of the former Iraq regime?


The only reference to Iraq possessing sarin after the 1991 Gulf War was the now largely discredited 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) upon which mush of the justification for the 2003 invasion was dependent. It claimed Iraq had as much as 500 metric tons of the stuff, no trace of which was ever found in ten years of occupation.


You're aware sarin gas is invisible, right?
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Postby MRandall25 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:59 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:
tifosi77 wrote:
BigMcK wrote:Any mention if the gas was courtesy of the former Iraq regime?


The only reference to Iraq possessing sarin after the 1991 Gulf War was the now largely discredited 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) upon which mush of the justification for the 2003 invasion was dependent. It claimed Iraq had as much as 500 metric tons of the stuff, no trace of which was ever found in ten years of occupation.


You're aware sarin gas is invisible, right?


Has to.be held in some sort of container, no?
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Postby tifosi77 on Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:16 am

Wait, so when it's deployed it doesn't have Mr. Yuck stickers all over the cloud?

My bad.
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Postby Gaucho on Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:44 pm

Hassan Ruhani wins the Iran elections. That's probably a good thing.
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:47 pm

Gaucho wrote:Hassan Ruhani wins the Iran elections. That's probably a good thing.

relatively speaking of course. :pop:
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Postby Gaucho on Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:55 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
Gaucho wrote:Hassan Ruhani wins the Iran elections. That's probably a good thing.

relatively speaking of course. :pop:


Oh yes.
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Postby Bioshock on Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:40 pm

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Postby shafnutz05 on Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:42 pm

Bioshock wrote:http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/16/cheney-defends-nsa-calls-obamas-credibility-nonexistent/?cid=sf_twitter

Dick Cheney is a piece of ****.


haha, talk about trying to get the best of both worlds. Somehow, he sounds 10x worse than the conservatives that act like they never endorsed increased surveillance.
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