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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby since1970 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:51 pm

redwill wrote:
columbia wrote:What kind of thugs do you have in your neighborhood?
Buffalo? Coyotes?


Hoodie-wearing coyotes.

Spoiler:
:idea: New Samuel L. Jackson movie??

"I can't believe these mother******* coyotes are wearing mother******* hoodies!!"



Hood'yotes on the Plains???
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Shyster on Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:05 pm

tifosi77 wrote:I make this claim because I find it an utter absurdity to advocate electing someone into an office where they are more or less viewed as the leader of the government, when the core of that person's political philosophy is that the entity they are in charge of is inherently evil. The notion of any libertarian holding elective office at any level is somewhat sketchy to me.

Perhaps I vote for them because I’d like them to dismantle that government, or at least reduce it in size? Considering that neither of the main parties has the slightest interest in those activities, if I want to reduce government what other choice do I have? Should I just go straight for armed insurrection?
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:48 pm

Well that's kind of my point. I don't challenge your views on the role of government, but mine are different. I do not disagree that neither of the Big Two really differentiate themselves as to preferring a big government (they differ only in which aspects of government they want super sized). So while I do certainly agree that government is generally far too big for its own good, I do feel that there are things government needs to be able to do that probably don't square with your view of government.

Therefore, to my way of thinking a person whose has a core political philosophy that can be reduced to "government is bad" is just about the worst possible person to put in government.

The decision to take up arms against the government is yours and yours alone. And I bid you luck in your (presumably rather short) quest.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:49 pm

I'd get out the popcorn for that one.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:57 pm

tifosi77 wrote:Therefore, to my way of thinking a person whose has a core political philosophy that can be reduced to "government is bad" is just about the worst possible person to put in government.



I dont think that anyone would argue government is bad, ultimately you need the structure to run a country. In my eyes government is good if it adequately mantains its core responsibilities and doesn't overstep its bounds.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:22 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:I dont think that anyone would argue government is bad....

I think you might want to re-read some of the discussions that have gone on in here over the past couple years. :wink:
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Postby columbia on Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:24 pm

Indeed.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:25 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:I dont think that anyone would argue government is bad....

I think you might want to re-read some of the discussions that have gone on in here over the past couple years. :wink:


Who has argued that you dont need a federal govt?
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Kaizer on Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:48 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
tifosi77 wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:I dont think that anyone would argue government is bad....

I think you might want to re-read some of the discussions that have gone on in here over the past couple years. :wink:


Who has argued that you dont need a federal govt?


yeah you missed quite a bit.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:29 pm

Kaizer wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
tifosi77 wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:I dont think that anyone would argue government is bad....

I think you might want to re-read some of the discussions that have gone on in here over the past couple years. :wink:


Who has argued that you dont need a federal govt?


yeah you missed quite a bit.

I hope your not not eluding to me. Government has a role in security, in protecting the environment, and in other limited aspects. But I don't think there's much doubt that governments everywhere are prone to excess and overstepping their bounds.
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Postby Kaizer on Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:31 pm

no, i wasnt eluding to you.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Shyster on Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:59 pm

Kaizer wrote:no, i wasnt eluding to you.

You no doubt meant Guinness, the PDT’s former (and much missed, at least by me) resident anarcho-capitalist.

I’m more of a minarchist myself. I don’t advocate for the elimination of government at any level. I’d just like to see government stripped of about 95% of what it does (i.e. reduced to a so-called “night-watchman” state).
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby GSdrums87 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:04 pm

So building roads and raising an army?
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby redwill on Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:10 pm

No to socialistic road-builders!
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:16 pm

A good CEO keeps his company focused on the things the company does right and cuts the fat out of his/her organization. I don't see why a good POTUS shouldn't operate the same way.

One of my favorite RR quotes went something like this: "Governement isn't the solution, Government is the problem"

InB4 the "Ronald Reagan was Big Government" arguments.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:19 pm

What is the neighborhood with the heavy red (Asian) concentration, between Dormont and Carnegie?
http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/index.html
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:27 pm

Greentree?
I had quit a few friends living in apartments off greentree rd in the 80's and 90's and now that you mention it I do remember quit a few Asains in that neighborhood. (On mobile so I can't pull up that map)

Edit: I just realized that I missed my opportunity to reply "Chinatown" :)
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby redwill on Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:55 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:Edit: I just realized that I missed my opportunity to reply "Chinatown" :)


Haha.

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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Factorial on Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:04 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:A good CEO keeps his company focused on the things the company does right and cuts the fat out of his/her organization. I don't see why a good POTUS shouldn't operate the same way.

One of my favorite RR quotes went something like this: "Governement isn't the solution, Government is the problem"

InB4 the "Ronald Reagan was Big Government" arguments.


Because a country is not a company? Not everything is profit driven?
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:04 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:A good CEO keeps his company focused on the things the company does right and cuts the fat out of his/her organization. I don't see why a good POTUS shouldn't operate the same way.

Because a business and the government are two rather different enterprises. The scope of what the latter is expected to do - even at its most stripped down level - is so far beyond what even the biggest private company can do is..... well, it's like comparing apples to asteroids. After all, a significant chunk of what drives that search for eliminating inefficiencies is competition. And there are too many things the government does wastefully for which there is not - nor should there ever be - a competitive alternative. (The Navy comes to mind here)

The most interesting piece I've seen on the subject breaks it down to three inherent conflicts: Profit vs. People, Shareholders vs. Citizens, Customers vs. Constituents.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Kaizer on Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:19 pm

Shyster wrote:
Kaizer wrote:no, i wasnt eluding to you.

You no doubt meant Guinness, the PDT’s former (and much missed, at least by me) resident anarcho-capitalist.

I’m more of a minarchist myself. I don’t advocate for the elimination of government at any level. I’d just like to see government stripped of about 95% of what it does (i.e. reduced to a so-called “night-watchman” state).


bingo. and i agree with him as far as people that own their land being able to disconnect themselves from the country if they want, receiving no services and paying no taxes.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Shyster on Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:25 pm

GSdrums87 wrote:So building roads and raising an army?

Private companies can build roads, and the only purpose of an army for a minarchist state would be self-defense, as the government would adhere to the nonaggression principle. For self-defense, I prefer a heavily armed populate.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Shyster on Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:32 pm

It was disappointing to see that to commemorate the anniversary of one of the finest (and pithiest) speeches on civil rights and personal liberties, Obama not only spoke ponderously and at length, but he also used the opportunity to advance a wish list of tired, statist–progressive policies. The speech was partisan, tedious, and uninspiring.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Gaucho on Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:32 pm

Don't take your guns to town.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby redwill on Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:47 pm

Shyster wrote:It was disappointing to see that to commemorate the anniversary of one of the finest (and pithiest) speeches on civil rights and personal liberties, Obama not only spoke ponderously and at length, but he also used the opportunity to advance a wish list of tired, statist–progressive policies. The speech was partisan, tedious, and uninspiring.


Ugh. You're right on that. I had NPR on in another room and every time I went through there (over the course of what seemed like hours), he was still talking.

Blech.
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