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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:47 pm

columbia wrote:France supports an attack in Syria.
I think that's about it.

Yes, France has indicated that they'll be part of a coalition. But there involvement would be extremely limited.
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Postby Kaizer on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:16 pm

instead of complete non intervention, i'd like to see us put out the kind of effort we had in Iraq in a few african countries that have nothing to offer us. what KBR managed to build for the troops during that occupation was stunning.
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Postby jf on Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:12 pm

columbia wrote:2008 current value of $10,000 invested in January 1980:

Gold = $10,600
S&P 500 = $279,000

What if we invested the same amount in each in Jan. 2000 and sold it in Jan. 2011 ? Which increased the most in value ?
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Postby PensFanInDC on Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:39 am

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Postby Pitt87 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:21 pm

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Postby DelPen on Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:48 pm

jf wrote:
columbia wrote:2008 current value of $10,000 invested in January 1980:

Gold = $10,600
S&P 500 = $279,000

What if we invested the same amount in each in Jan. 2000 and sold it in Jan. 2011 ? Which increased the most in value ?


Gold 1980: 559.50
S&P 1980: 105.22

Gold 2000: 282.05
S&P 2000: 1455.22

Gold Now: 1309.40
S&P Now: 1704.47

Pick your poison.
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Postby tifosi77 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:39 pm

PensFanInDC wrote:

Good video. I've seen that guy do another similar rundown video recently, but I can't remember what it was.
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Postby Troy Loney on Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:25 pm

Universal healthcare, please, thank you.
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Postby Grunthy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:02 pm

Uh that video was annoying. The first thing that needs to be done is tort reform throughout the united states, not just two states. Allow health insurers to sell in more than just one state to create competition. Reduce all the ridiculous paperwork and regulations that doctors have to jump through to treat a patient. Basically the less lawyer involvement the better.
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Postby Willie Kool on Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:46 pm

Grunthy wrote:Uh that video was annoying. The first thing that needs to be done is tort reform throughout the united states, not just two states.

So, you're saying if a doctor negligently kills you in the street, he should be held more responsible than if he kills you while negligently operating on you?

Grunthy wrote:Allow health insurers to sell in more than just one state to create competition.

That creates competition? Seems more likely that we would see one or two giant corporations eat up all the currently existing competition.

Grunthy wrote:Reduce all the ridiculous paperwork and regulations that doctors have to jump through to treat a patient.

Hell, we may as well let barbers perform surgery again.

Grunthy wrote:Basically the less lawyer involvement the better.

Sorry, the correct answer is: The less profit involvement, the better.
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Postby Gaucho on Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:52 pm

Willie Kool wrote:
Grunthy wrote:Basically the less lawyer involvement the better.

Sorry, the correct answer is: The less profit involvement, the better.


:thumb:
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Postby columbia on Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:54 pm

I'd point that Jesus would probably be on board with that, but Grunthy would accuse me of bashing religion.
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Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:56 pm

I don't claim to know the solution to the problems facing healthcare in the United States right now, but I am extraordinarily skeptical that universal, government-run healthcare is the answer to them.
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Postby Grunthy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:01 pm

columbia wrote:I'd point that Jesus would probably be on board with that, but Grunthy would accuse me of bashing religion.



At least I don't try to be cool on a message board all the time like you, because I actually have a life. :thumb:
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Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:01 pm

Much like Dianne Feinstein, Harry Reid is a pathetic piece of garbage. The nerve to blame the excessive rainfall in Colorado on "climate change" is hideous, disingenuous, and flat-out wrong. It would be the equivalent of pointing out that there have been ZERO hurricanes in the Atlantic basin in 2013 as a sign that climate change doesn't exist.

Between Dianne Feinstein calling for additional gun control (before the real facts came out, and before the corpses had achieved room temperature) and Harry Reid talking out his ass about something he knows nothing about, I'm fed up with the grandstanding.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/17/Reid-Blames-Colorado-Floods-On-Climate-Change
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Postby columbia on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:02 pm

Grunthy wrote:
columbia wrote:I'd point that Jesus would probably be on board with that, but Grunthy would accuse me of bashing religion.



At least I don't try to be cool on a message board all the time like you, because I actually have a life. :thumb:


You shouldn't rip on shad like that.
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Postby Grunthy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:02 pm

Willie Kool wrote:
Grunthy wrote:Uh that video was annoying. The first thing that needs to be done is tort reform throughout the united states, not just two states.

So, you're saying if a doctor negligently kills you in the street, he should be held more responsible than if he kills you while negligently operating on you?

Grunthy wrote:Allow health insurers to sell in more than just one state to create competition.

That creates competition? Seems more likely that we would see one or two giant corporations eat up all the currently existing competition.

Grunthy wrote:Reduce all the ridiculous paperwork and regulations that doctors have to jump through to treat a patient.

Hell, we may as well let barbers perform surgery again.

Grunthy wrote:Basically the less lawyer involvement the better.

Sorry, the correct answer is: The less profit involvement, the better.



No the problem is more government. People didn't die in the streets in the 70s before all these **** up regulations, why would they now with all the advances?
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Postby Willie Kool on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:26 pm

Grunthy wrote:No the problem is more government. People didn't die in the streets in the 70s before all these **** up regulations, why would they now with all the advances?

What? I have no idea what you are even talking about.

My reference to someone dying in the street was in the context of a doctor acting negligently outside of the practice of medicine. As in - you are crossing the street, legally, in the crosswalk. A drunk doctor comes speeding through the intersection in his car and runs you down and maims or kills you. You or your survivors wouldn't be limited in the amount you could seek in a lawsuit. But with medical tort reform, if he comes in to the hospital drunk and kills you on the operating table, the damages would be limited. Negligence is negligence.
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Postby Willie Kool on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:35 pm

Not to mention the fact that if left up to the private sector, there will never be another cure for anything. A cure doesn't make Drugs, Inc. enough money. Diseases will be 'managed' and 'controlled' by continuous treatment and / or a lifetime of drugs.
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Postby Grunthy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:36 pm

Willie Kool wrote:
Grunthy wrote:No the problem is more government. People didn't die in the streets in the 70s before all these **** up regulations, why would they now with all the advances?

What? I have no idea what you are even talking about.

My reference to someone dying in the street was in the context of a doctor acting negligently outside of the practice of medicine. As in - you are crossing the street, legally, in the crosswalk. A drunk doctor comes speeding through the intersection in his car and runs you down and maims or kills you. You or your survivors wouldn't be limited in the amount you could seek in a lawsuit. But with medical tort reform, if he comes in to the hospital drunk and kills you on the operating table, the damages would be limited. Negligence is negligence.



Yeah if that happens it wouldn't be malpractice...
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Postby Grunthy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:42 pm

Willie Kool wrote:Not to mention the fact that if left up to the private sector, there will never be another cure for anything. A cure doesn't make Drugs, Inc. enough money. Diseases will be 'managed' and 'controlled' by continuous treatment and / or a lifetime of drugs.




What the hell are you talking about? If a Pharmaceutical company found out how to cure a certain cancer or disease they would damn sure release it. They would be forfeiting billions upon billions of dollars by not doing it. This whole argument that they hold them back indefinitely is utter ****. They might delay the release of drugs to let the other drugs mature, but they would never stop something like that.
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Postby MWB on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:43 pm

If tort reform is one of the big answers, why would the results of what has happened in one of the states with tort reform not be very relevant? How would making it national change things?
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Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:43 pm

Willie Kool wrote:Not to mention the fact that if left up to the private sector, there will never be another cure for anything. A cure doesn't make Drugs, Inc. enough money. Diseases will be 'managed' and 'controlled' by continuous treatment and / or a lifetime of drugs.


This is where I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you. The synergy between the public and private sector is in the best interest of finding cures for all kinds of diseases. Eliminating the private sector would be a horrible idea.
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Postby Willie Kool on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:43 pm

Grunthy wrote:
Willie Kool wrote:
Grunthy wrote:No the problem is more government. People didn't die in the streets in the 70s before all these **** up regulations, why would they now with all the advances?

What? I have no idea what you are even talking about.

My reference to someone dying in the street was in the context of a doctor acting negligently outside of the practice of medicine. As in - you are crossing the street, legally, in the crosswalk. A drunk doctor comes speeding through the intersection in his car and runs you down and maims or kills you. You or your survivors wouldn't be limited in the amount you could seek in a lawsuit. But with medical tort reform, if he comes in to the hospital drunk and kills you on the operating table, the damages would be limited. Negligence is negligence.



Yeah if that happens it wouldn't be malpractice...


OK, then what exactly would it be?
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Postby Grunthy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:45 pm

Willie Kool wrote:
Grunthy wrote:
Willie Kool wrote:
Grunthy wrote:No the problem is more government. People didn't die in the streets in the 70s before all these **** up regulations, why would they now with all the advances?

What? I have no idea what you are even talking about.

My reference to someone dying in the street was in the context of a doctor acting negligently outside of the practice of medicine. As in - you are crossing the street, legally, in the crosswalk. A drunk doctor comes speeding through the intersection in his car and runs you down and maims or kills you. You or your survivors wouldn't be limited in the amount you could seek in a lawsuit. But with medical tort reform, if he comes in to the hospital drunk and kills you on the operating table, the damages would be limited. Negligence is negligence.



Yeah if that happens it wouldn't be malpractice...


OK, then what exactly would it be?



I'm pretty sure you could file a murder charge...
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