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Postby DelPen on Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:26 pm



Nice Harry
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:37 pm

DelPen wrote:
Spoiler:


Nice Harry


"If I can't have everything I want I'm going throw a temper tantrum..." wahhhhhhhhhhhhh

This is exactly what's wrong with BOTH "R"'s and "D"'s... You have to be able to pay for these bloated programs. If you can't, hard decisions have to be made. If you don;t have the 'Nads to make those decisions, step aside and let someone who does; take over.

"What right do they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded" - Um, cause it's YOUR job? :face:

"I have 1,100 peole at Nellis AFB that are staying home..." - PORK PORK PORK. - Just stop the madness.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:43 pm

Shyster wrote:

So Mr. Froomkin actually wants the media to be more biased and partisan than it already is?

There is a difference between bias and being forthright.

CBear3 wrote:Delete the last two sentences and it reads about right.

But.... they're the best part.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Shyster on Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:19 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
Shyster wrote:

So Mr. Froomkin actually wants the media to be more biased and partisan than it already is?

There is a difference between bias and being forthright.
But the distinction necessarily depends upon the views of the observer.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Factorial on Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:20 pm

DelPen wrote:
Spoiler:


Nice Harry


Misleading title on that video......
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby jf on Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:07 pm

DelPen wrote:

Nice Harry

This is exactly what Pat Buchanan and a Democratic strategist for Bill Clinton said should happen with the appropriations from the House . Pass appropriation Bills for each department and then send them to the Senate . Then the committees should have to work out what gets cut. Poor Harry is only irritated because he will have to do some work , which is his job .
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:27 pm

let's see what that ultra-liberal MSNBC has to say about the leader of the Dems in the US Senate, Harry Reid:

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/10/02/harry-re ... to-defeat/
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Postby Gaucho on Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:20 am

One in three Greek children now living in poverty.

Thanks, Angela!
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Postby Factorial on Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:42 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:let's see what that ultra-liberal MSNBC has to say about the leader of the Dems in the US Senate, Harry Reid:

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/10/02/harry-re ... to-defeat/


Jim Manley, Reid’s former longtime aide, said that his proudest memory of his old boss actually took place nearly a decade ago when Reid was Minority Leader. After the 2004 election, President George W. Bush called on Congress to work with him on a plan to privatize Social Security. Reid immediately whipped members against the idea, then worked to pressure Republicans to keep it from ever seeing a vote.

“He believed accurately that this tack was nothing more than a fig leaf for a larger debate to destroy one of the key tenants of the New Deal,” Manley said. “It was a calculated decision that it was time to stand up and fight.”

Now Reid’s digging in against what he sees as an attack on the safety net once more, this time on behalf of a president’s signature initiative. From the looks of it, he’s having the time of his life.


Good read, thanks for posting.
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Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:47 am

Do you think the Mediocre Care Act is actually a safety net for people? Lulz. The fact this stinker of legislation is the president's signature initiative will say a lot about his legacy, whatever that is.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Factorial on Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:52 am

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Postby Pitt87 on Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:24 am

shafnutz05 wrote:Do you think the Mediocre Care Act is actually a safety net for people? Lulz. The fact this stinker of legislation is the president's signature initiative will say a lot about his legacy, whatever that is.


Yep... Poorly developed, overwrought with bureaucracy, difficult to deliver across a country of our size and diversity, too expensive to achieve its prime directives, and virtually impossible to change once implemented.

You can say this same thing about most things that President Obama has jammed down taxpayers throats.
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Postby Factorial on Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:43 am

Quite an analysis for a program in it's third day

Let's give it time to work and make adjustments when and where needed. Hopefully overtime this will lead to a single payer system like they have in Canada.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Factorial on Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:57 am

Obama wrote:If we get in the habit where a few folks, an extremist wing of one party, whether it's Democrat or Republican— are allowed to extort concessions— based on a threat of undermining the full faith and credit of the United States, then any president who comes after me, not just me— will find themselves unable— to govern effectively.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/101082183
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Postby Factorial on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:06 am

The health care law expands insurance coverage to tens of millions of Americans, in part through the “exchanges” that began enrollment this week, and later through rules mandating that certain businesses provide coverage. The government has shut down in no small part because of Republican opposition to the law on economic grounds: It is harming businesses and sapping strength from the economy, they argue.

But major provisions of the law have yet to take effect, meaning many of the assertions about how the law is slashing hours or encouraging part-time employment are not backed by statistical evidence, economists from across the political spectrum said. “The script is still being written,” said Mark Zandi of Moody’s Analytics. “I don’t see any evidence Obamacare is impacting the job market.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/us/de ... =politics&
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:27 am

Gaucho wrote:One in three Greek children now living in poverty.

Thanks, Angela!

A perfect example of what happens when you allow government to create large unfunded overbloated entitlement programs and then the chickens come home to roost when the money runs out.

Whats best for the people to is create a vibrant private economy and allow those people to be self-supportive. Creating dependancies on government programs (especially when the goal is to create a dependant class beholding to a political candidate or party)
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Postby Kaizer on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:35 am

a list of pay-refusing congressmen with some quotes of theirs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... -shutdown/


although they just showed on the news that there are only 4 left who still want their money.
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Postby Gaucho on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:36 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:
Gaucho wrote:One in three Greek children now living in poverty.

Thanks, Angela!

A perfect example of what happens when you allow government to create large unfunded overbloated entitlement programs and then the chickens come home to roost when the money runs out.

Whats best for the people to is create a vibrant private economy and allow those people to be self-supportive. Creating dependancies on government programs (especially when the goal is to create a dependant class beholding to a political candidate or party)


Yeah, but at least we saved the banks so we can delude ourselves that the system still works.
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:41 am

Factorial wrote:Quite an analysis for a program in it's third day

Let's give it time to work and make adjustments when and where needed. Hopefully overtime this will lead to a single payer system like they have in Canada.



Sounds like "Hey I have a full-time job where I'm not at risk of having my hours cut to 28/week. Let them eat cake."

Maybe they'll have government sunsidized health care, but who's going to put food in their mouths and a roof over their head when they get their hours cut? Oh yeah... You think those programs are bloated now? You ain't seen nothing yet.

How's that Syria "Red Line" going for you?

And this month we'll cross over the line where 80% of American lives lost in Afghanistan will have been lost on Barrack Obamas watch.
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:45 am

Gaucho wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:
Gaucho wrote:One in three Greek children now living in poverty.

Thanks, Angela!

A perfect example of what happens when you allow government to create large unfunded overbloated entitlement programs and then the chickens come home to roost when the money runs out.

Whats best for the people to is create a vibrant private economy and allow those people to be self-supportive. Creating dependancies on government programs (especially when the goal is to create a dependant class beholding to a political candidate or party)


Yeah, but at least we saved the banks so we can delude ourselves that the system still works.

A free economy needs credit to operate, we saw that in 1929 and in 2008. Without credit. The systems fails.
And it wasn't credit which took down Greece, it was excess government. Same thing that took down the USSR and countless others.
Government can not continue to spend more than it takes in and still survive.
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Postby DelPen on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:53 am

Kaizer wrote:a list of pay-refusing congressmen with some quotes of theirs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... -shutdown/


although they just showed on the news that there are only 4 left who still want their money.


Was DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Sschultz on that list of those still accepting their pay?
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Factorial on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:55 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:
Factorial wrote:Quite an analysis for a program in it's third day

Let's give it time to work and make adjustments when and where needed. Hopefully overtime this will lead to a single payer system like they have in Canada.



Sounds like "Hey I have a full-time job where I'm not at risk of having my hours cut to 28/week. Let them eat cake."

Maybe they'll have government sunsidized health care, but who's going to put food in their mouths and a roof over their head when they get their hours cut? Oh yeah... You think those programs are bloated now? You ain't seen nothing yet.

How's that Syria "Red Line" going for you?

And this month we'll cross over the line where 80% of American lives lost in Afghanistan will have been lost on Barrack Obamas watch.


My opinions are not based on what is "best" for me.

And had Bush not dropped the ball in Afghanistan to invade Iraq we would have been out of there long ago.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Kaizer on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:57 am

DelPen wrote:
Kaizer wrote:a list of pay-refusing congressmen with some quotes of theirs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... -shutdown/


although they just showed on the news that there are only 4 left who still want their money.


Was DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Sschultz on that list of those still accepting their pay?


it was all men
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby DelPen on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:57 am

Kaizer wrote:
DelPen wrote:
Kaizer wrote:a list of pay-refusing congressmen with some quotes of theirs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... -shutdown/


although they just showed on the news that there are only 4 left who still want their money.


Was DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Sschultz on that list of those still accepting their pay?


it was all men


Well then that list is certainly not complete.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby DelPen on Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:59 am

Am I the only one who would actually like to see several bills that restore funding to very specific things? Identify what we should actually be spending money on and fund it. The rest can stay defunded if it provides no use or benefit to the country.
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