tifosi77 wrote:ExPatriatePen wrote:tifosi77 wrote:pensfan1989 wrote:The elderly, who probably get Social Security checks, either have to cash those or have direct deposit, so they have a bank account, which, since 9/11, requires an ID to open.
I'm not entirely sure of the numbers on this one, but I don't know how many elderly people are opening brand new checking accounts. Maybe that number has gone up in recent years, thanks to the '08 financial meltdown. But if they've had a checking account for five decades...pensfan1989 wrote:I just don't believe that there are millions of people here, legally, who can vote, and don't have an ID of some kind.
The commonwealth's own data showed that 758,000 eligible voters had no PennDOT ID that would satisfy the requirements of the law. That's nearly 10% of the whole electorate. (In Philly it was closer to 20%.) Letters were sent to all of the names on that list and 150,000 were 'undeliverable', which means a potential population still in the 600,000 range. PennDOT further stated that around half a million people had the requisite ID, but it was expired. These folks might not have the same burdens of getting themselves out to a DMV office that an elderly person might face, but that's still half a million more people trying to access an already over-burdened fulfillment system.
Estimates applying actual voter turnout to possession of an adequate ID puts the number at around 4%, which is still ~200,000 voters. Prorate that nationwide, and it's not all that hard to get to a million or two people.
And remember - these are the actual numbers and estimates from the state body charged with executing the law, not from a voting rights advocacy group or the ACLU. This is PennDOT.
Your assuming that everyone of those people would pursue getting an ID. Since the turnout rate is far far far lower than that, it's not a valid argument.
Umm....tifosi77 wrote:Estimates applying actual voter turnout to possession of an adequate ID puts the number at around 4%, which is still ~200,000 voters.
And if you're talking about the half a million who had expired IDs, PA had a turnout rate of ~60% in 2012. So instead of 500,000, let's talk about 300,000. So between the former and the latter, we're back to 500,000 people likely seeking IDs.
It is called personal responsibility , if you want to vote just go get the Id . Just do what it takes .