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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:19 pm

If Troy can get them to market now they will make a more money. They should just send them all to Buds Gun Shop and sell online. Their entire stock will be sold in less than 48 hours.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby mac5155 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:00 pm

DelPen wrote:If Troy can get them to market now they will make a more money. They should just send them all to Buds Gun Shop and sell online. Their entire stock will be sold in less than 48 hours.


The shop I go to said buds is really screwing the FFLs that are doing their transfers, and he no longer does them. Maybe cause he's a small outfit though.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:00 pm

Not sure how Buds or any other online retailer can screw the FFL for transfers since the FFL sets what the transfer price will be and there's no other effort aside from retaining the 4473 for the transfer. Now if your shop won't transfer because Buds was underselling pretty much every mom and pop shop then I can see why they would stop. But doing transfers is free money for the FFL and gets people in the store.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby tifosi77 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:14 pm

Okay, I've got an interesting situation that I need help sorting out. Nothing major, just interesting.

Spent the hols in Vegas with the in-laws (as usual), and we all went to American Shooters for an afternoon of killing paper. We all had a blast (pun intended), and afterward as we were in the car talking about guns and stuff my father-in-law stated that when he passes he wants all of his guns to transfer to me. (His biological son is vehemently anti-gun.) He explained that he wanted to put that intention into paper so that when the time comes, the transfer will be as smooth as possible.

Here's the potential dilemma: His collection numbers about 7 or 8 pistols and revolvers, a shotgun....... and an AR-15 and an M1 Garand. I don't have any concerns about the handguns, but the AR and the M1 -- look, I live in California; I honestly don't know if those weapons can be transferred to me. I don't know if the Garand qualifies as a curio piece, or if the AR was sold as new before 1989 (which I think is the cutoff date for CA assault weapons)

Where do I go to research the legalities in play here? He's in fine health, so there's no real urgency to the matter, but I would like to figure out what's what relatively soon.

redwill wrote:Haha. So I guess an assault weapons ban is the answer after all, eh?

To what point and purpose? During the ten-year AWB from 1994 to its sunset in 2004, the number of mass shootings in the U.S. actually rose incrementally. Since the AWB's expiration,

Banning a class of guns because of their cosmetics is absurd.

And rest assured, it is the cosmetics and cosmetics alone that make 'assault weapons' so nasty in people's minds. They look like military weapons, ergo they should not be in civilian hands. Never mind that they are used in only 1/5 of 1% of violent crimes, and still less than 1% when the crime pool is specifically narrowed to only include gun crimes. They account for less than 2% of civilian-owned population of firearms in the U.S. Banning assault weapons because of a handful of admittedly horrific acts makes no more sense than would banning sports cars because of deaths resulting from knuckleheads street racing.

It's lipstick, nothing more. And because it makes such little legislative sense, it's easy to rally against it. We have a collection of data from right here in our own country that shows the complete lack of impact an AWB has on gun crime. The issue is that people will expend political capital fighting to get another meaningless AWB in place, and then there will be little stomach to debate or compromise on substantive gun control measures that actually might make some sort of sense. (Like a unified background check requirement across the country, for example)
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:27 pm

What you need to do is set up a revocable living trust and place the firearms in the trust. Local laws may be an issue but at the federal level you can get NFA items (machine guns, suppressors, short barrel rifles, etc) and have the trust own them. This actually prevents your name being run through their system and you don't need local LEO sign off either. Anyone in the trust can posses the items listed. I'm setting up one now using Quicken Willmaker and it really is that simple. When my kids reach 18 they get added and things can be left to them even if some get reclassified to be covered by the NFA. Under Feinstein's proposal you won't be able to transfer items after death but if it's in a trust that won't come into play since a trust never dies.

Look for local attorneys that an get you a trust created that will also work for CA. In SC, there's no local issues so it's as simple as identifying trustees and successors, listing the items to be in the trust and get it notarized.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:33 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
It's lipstick, nothing more. And because it makes such little legislative sense, it's easy to rally against it. We have a collection of data from right here in our own country that shows the complete lack of impact an AWB has on gun crime. The issue is that people will expend political capital fighting to get another meaningless AWB in place, and then there will be little stomach to debate or compromise on substantive gun control measures that actually might make some sort of sense. (Like a unified background check requirement across the country, for example)


I think some people know they can't get anything through so they can now say they tried. when the NRA is more popular at 54% than ALL levels of government right after a horrendous killing spree the antis won't win the debate.

And I'd be for a federal background check if it meant national reciprocity. SC actually has an extensive check and required instruction to get a carry permit and will not give reciprocity to other states that don't have that level of scrutiny. This also means I don't get an NICS check when purchasing because I already went through it and if something did happen to cause me to get rejected I'd have lost my permit anyways.

If you also want to ban magazines that are not of a military utility, like 100 drum mags, but 30 round is still OK, I'm OK with that. I'd also be fine with a federal law stating no private sales can occur within 100 yards of a gun show. If you want to meet me a mile down the road in the Walmart parking lot and our state allows private transfers, an SC does as long as both people are SC residents, then that's fine but then we can stop talking about this stupid loophole that isn't a loophole.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:30 am

I looked over California's gun laws. I think you should be able to take possession of the pistols and the M1 Garand. As near as I can tell, Garands are not considered assault weapons. I believe you are out of luck for the AR. Every AR rifle is an assault weapon regardless of when made, and the only way one can be inherited or purchased by or transferred to someone who didn't own it at the registration date is for that person to obtain the same sort of permit that you would need to get in order to own machine guns. Does the California Department of Justice give out those permits? From what i can tell, they only give them to movie companies that need prop guns. Individuals are **** out of luck. So there's no way you will be able to legally inherit that AR.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:30 pm

I got a phone call this afternoon from state representative Dom Costa in regard to the letter I wrote in regard to increased calls for gun control legislation like assault-weapon and magazine bans. We talked for about 15 minutes or so, and Rep. Costa informed me that he will not support and will not vote for the gun-ban bills proposed by, among others, Representatives Frankel and Santarsiero. I certainly appreciate that he took the time to personally respond.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby tifosi77 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:08 pm

I thought this was an interesting look at crime rates vis-à-vis gun laws.

Choose Your Own Crime Stats
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby mac5155 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:37 pm

Anyone have a recommendation for a holster that won't let the gun slip out in high movement? I'm looking for something to wear while quad riding. My fiancee rides with me so the gun will theoretically be sandwiched between her and I. I really wanted the Blackhawk serpa but unfortunately they don't make one for my Taurus PT 740
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:45 am

mac5155 wrote:Anyone have a recommendation for a holster that won't let the gun slip out in high movement? I'm looking for something to wear while quad riding. My fiancee rides with me so the gun will theoretically be sandwiched between her and I. I really wanted the Blackhawk serpa but unfortunately they don't make one for my Taurus PT 740


http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/Super ... roductName

Crossbreed SuperTuck. Best holster I think you can possibly find. Between the kydex mold and being an IWB there is plenty of retention from your belt and wasteband but not so much it's hard to draw. They do have moldings for a PT740.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby mac5155 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:58 am

DelPen wrote:
mac5155 wrote:Anyone have a recommendation for a holster that won't let the gun slip out in high movement? I'm looking for something to wear while quad riding. My fiancee rides with me so the gun will theoretically be sandwiched between her and I. I really wanted the Blackhawk serpa but unfortunately they don't make one for my Taurus PT 740


http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/Super ... roductName

Crossbreed SuperTuck. Best holster I think you can possibly find. Between the kydex mold and being an IWB there is plenty of retention from your belt and wasteband but not so much it's hard to draw. They do have moldings for a PT740.


I am leery about that. I almost want something to clip on to the gun.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:07 am

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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Factorial on Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:53 am

In PA if you have a right to carry permit (or whatever it's called) can you legally store a gun under your car seat when driving?

Another gun question -- are possessing uzis legal under any circumstances?
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DocEmrick on Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:50 am

DONT ANSWER ITS A GOVERNMENT PLOT THEYRE COMING FOR YOU NOW!!!111
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby AlexPKeaton on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:24 am

Factorial wrote:In PA if you have a right to carry permit (or whatever it's called) can you legally store a gun under your car seat when driving?

Another gun question -- are possessing uzis legal under any circumstances?


If you have a carry permit of course you can put it under your car seat.

Semi-auto Uzi varients are legal, just like all other semi-auto versions of full auto guns. If it is short enough it might be classified as a pistol which would require a background check. Full auto guns are legal if you have a class III license and it was imported prior to 1986, and obviously if you could afford it as they are expensive and rare.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:27 am

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-la ... vania.aspx

Good info. Also, if anyone wants to get an AZ out of state permit which is good in PA, DE, WV, VA and NC to name a few states. Requirements are:

•be a resident of this state or a United States citizen;
•be twenty-one years of age or older;
•not be under indictment for a felony offense;
•not be convicted of a felony offense, unless the conviction has been expunged, set aside, vacated or pardoned, or the individuals right to possess firearms has be restored AND the individual must not be a prohibited possessor under state or federal law.
•not suffer from mental illness and been adjudicated mentally incompetent or committed to a mental institution;
•not be unlawfully present in the United States;
•complete a firearms safety training program pursuant to ARS §13-3112.N. (NRA basic pistol qualifies as does any other state issued CWP)

Cost is $60. I'm looking into this since SC does not have reciprocity with some states due to extra criteria in our background checks that get us an NICS exemption when purchasing since it is assumed if we have a valid permit we are clear. I could carry then in GA and PA if I chose getting the AZ permit as well.



http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry ... _maps.html
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby mac5155 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:32 pm

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/01/ ... ery-store/

Ban scissors! This was 2 miles from my house.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:06 pm

AlexPKeaton wrote:Semi-auto Uzi varients are legal, just like all other semi-auto versions of full auto guns. If it is short enough it might be classified as a pistol which would require a background check. Full auto guns are legal if you have a class III license and it was imported prior to 1986, and obviously if you could afford it as they are expensive and rare.

And when Alex says “expensive,” we’re talking about $10,000 and up for a full-auto UZI. True machine guns and sub-machine guns are extremely valuable.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby tifosi77 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:19 pm

So I've just stumbled upon a loophole in the so-called CA 'good gun list'.

For the uninitiated, the CA Department of Justice maintains a list of handguns called the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. Basically, manufacturers have to submit their guns for review by the DOJ for approval. Some extremely popular weapons are not on the list, because the manufacturer doesn't want to go through the expense of making a CA version of the pistol. One example is the Springfield Armory XDm series. The older XDs are certainly available all over, but the newer XDms are not on the list. I've known that private party transfers are exempt from this list requirement, but that still means you have to find a seller who legally obtained the gun and brought it into CA (which, up until a couple days ago, I thought pretty much meant a resident of another state who purchased the gun there and then moved to CA)

Apparently there is something called a 'single shot exemption', or SSE. Guns that can only fire a single shot between reloads are also exempt from the list requirements. Apparently the way this works is there are some gunsmiths around the country who convert a few examples of these no-list pistols to single shot (usually by installing a longer barrel and by plugging the magazine), and then sell it via FFL transfer to stores in CA. You can then purchase the gun, log the sale, wait the requisite 10 days, take delivery of the single-shot pistol, then pay a gunsmith to re-convert it back to its original configuration. (The law does not preclude this sort of modification to pistols that have been legally purchased in CA)

So it adds a few days (about a week or so) and a few hundred dollars and about 10 minutes of a pistolsmith's time to legally purchase a gun in CA that's ostensibly illegal to purchase in CA as new.

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This is the kind of nonsense gun legislation that makes me shake my head in wonder. What's the point of the bloody list?!?!
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby stinky on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:03 pm

So I am kind of excited, I just purchased my first shotty; with home defense in mind I was able to get my hands on a Mossberg 930 SPX at a decent price for in this market environment. I have heard mixed reviews the large majority of folks saying works great and cycles everything and anything.. others saying initial QC problems had been an issue. I was looking at Berelli M2s or SLPs from FNH, however the Moss was at least 500 bucks cheaper. Either way, anyone have any suggestions on some decent shotgun ammo at decent prices? Brands, websites, etc?
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby mac5155 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:10 pm

I have my 12 gauge loaded with 1# buckshot. I don't like slugs. Also, I leave my chamber empty. I want to watch the intruder **** their pants when they hear me rack the slide on my 870.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:02 pm

stinky wrote:So I am kind of excited, I just purchased my first shotty; with home defense in mind I was able to get my hands on a Mossberg 930 SPX at a decent price for in this market environment. I have heard mixed reviews the large majority of folks saying works great and cycles everything and anything.. others saying initial QC problems had been an issue. I was looking at Berelli M2s or SLPs from FNH, however the Moss was at least 500 bucks cheaper. Either way, anyone have any suggestions on some decent shotgun ammo at decent prices? Brands, websites, etc?


Only thing I've ever seen is that you shouldn't use reduced recoil loads since you need the energy to cycle.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:50 pm

I bought a case of Estate 00 buckshot from Cabela’s a while back. It was on sale and came with a free storage box. It seems to cycle fine through my 870 Tactical Magnum, and the patterns are good. Of course, like everything else, it’s presently out of stock with a wait of 6-8 weeks.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby mac5155 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:19 am

I found the holster I want - just have to wait til the end of the month for them to release my gun model for sale.

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it is made by "N8 ^2" (pronounced Nate Squared as there are 2 gentlemen named Nate that run it). It looks like a super awesome holster.
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