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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby TheHammer24 on Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:22 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:Thanks for the suggestion, but the current method for tracking rookies is flawless.


Pretty much this.

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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Pitts on Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:51 pm

Sat my rookies tonight because both have been non-existent all season -- 3 powerplay goals between them so far! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Kraftster on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:05 am

I'm late to the party on this IR+ spot, but I support it. I see no good reason why it should not be added since Yahoo! is a pain in the ass with its IR. Both ESPN and Fantrax allow for IR usage on players who are clearly out but not team-designated as IR. Why shouldn't all the IR slots just be IR+ slots? What is the possible concern for why this should not be used?
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:17 am

Because players that are tagged day-to-day often play. You can squeeze them out and get a free game out of another player on off days.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Kraftster on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:22 am

I guess I might have concerns about that if it were a money league. I basically set my roster in this league once/week. I am not sure who is really going to be juggling GP enough to worry about it. To be honest, the rosters in this league are so large that teams could stream their bottom 2-3 bench slots every week without much of a risk of losing anyone worthwhile, so I don't really know if that holds up.

To me, the far more valuable outcome is the benefit of me not having to watch Ryan Callahan (out a month) sit on my bench as DTD for the next...month.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:25 am

I would go out of my way to abuse it. Based on that, i'm sure others would as well.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:28 am

Lol
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Kraftster on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:30 am

I don't know, that seems to be a bad reason to not make this change. Everyone is hurt by the Yahoo! DTD vs. IR crap. I'd rather go to IR+ and put in a moves cap than be forced to lose weeks of games because Yahoo! is an *******.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:37 am

Kraftster wrote:Everyone is hurt by the Yahoo! DTD vs. IR crap.


So its fair.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby cheesesteakwithegg on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:44 am

IR+ seems fair to me
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Kraftster on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:49 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
Kraftster wrote:Everyone is hurt by the Yahoo! DTD vs. IR crap.


So its fair.


Well, no. In any given year, some teams will be more significantly affected than others. I mean, in the sense that its a significant defect that applies to everyone its "fair," but what good is that? We're sticking to the ****y status quo because its the status quo. If the default was IR+, I don't think anyone would ever switch to the current IR format.

Again, if someone wanted to abuse the limitless add/drop in this league, it certainly would not take an IR+ slot to do it. Not when the best free agent is Matt Irwin.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Troy Loney on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:53 am

can always just pick up people's rookies "on accident'.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:53 am

I think people would complain about someone being stashed on IR even though they were healthy. This could be especially bad with goalies. I started this conversation when Lehtonen was day-to-day and I have possession of Jack Campbell, so it could have benefited me already...aside form Campbell's performance when he did get in. :pop: I just don't think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Kraftster on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:58 am

I assume that the same roster restrictions would apply and teams won't be able to make roster moves if a guy in IR+ slot is fully healthy. I would expect Yahoo! would make them move the player out of IR+ before making any moves.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby TheHammer24 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:48 am

Kraftster wrote:I assume that the same roster restrictions would apply and teams won't be able to make roster moves if a guy in IR+ slot is fully healthy. I would expect Yahoo! would make them move the player out of IR+ before making any moves.

No. I think the point is Yahoo is inconsistent in taking people off the DTD who are healthy, just like you quibble with them keeping people on the DTD for a long time. So, idoit's point is that you can keep a healthy player on IR+ and make roster moves in the meantime because Yahoo keeps them listed as DTD even as they continue to play.

I don't see the problem in a bright-line IR rule that Yahoo implements, and I have sat with Sid on my bench for very long periods of time.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Kraftster on Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:06 am

lol, does this hypothetical scenario even exist?

Let's take Callahan, who right now is DTD and out for a month. Let's assume in the worst case scenario, Yahoo! leaves him listed as DTD for a week after his first return to action (I must say that I challenge anyone who says they keep tabs on how quickly Yahoo! removes players from DTD - what reason has there ever been for people to keep track of something like that?).

So, let me see if I understand the concern...

Callahan is returning from IR+ for a game on Monday. Unsure of how he'll play on Monday, I leave him on IR+ (questionable given that he was one of my 10 keepers this year, but whatever). So he plays again on Thursday and Saturday of that week. What exactly is it that I am going to do between Monday and Thursday that is "bad" or some type of abuse? I play the Callahan replacement on, let's say, Tuesday and Wednesday or something and that will give me one extra game than I would have had if I pulled him right off?

Or am I really going to leave one of my ten best players from last year on IR+ for the entire week that Yahoo! erroneously leaves him listed as DTD so that I can get an extra week out of the Callahan replacement, who is probably not nearly as productive as Callahan?

I guess I just have a hard time figuring out who is this mythical player that you are going to want to "stash" on IR+ while they are healthy? Someone that is not worth having on your active roster, obviously. So then you're cycling through FA guys on a daily basis in the roster spot that was previously held by a player that is not good enough to be on your roster ahead of a cycle of FA guys?

Either the player is good enough that you'll want him on your active roster as soon as he is able to be or he is not good enough to own ahead of a stream of FA players in the first place.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby TheHammer24 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:13 am

That's just one concern. And of course, you're not going to leave Callahan on IR+; you'd leave a fringe player. It would also be annoying -- even if Yahoo was perfect and we could ignore Idoit's concern -- of having the ability to grab an extra player after one your regulars leaves a game early. For example, Sid leaves game early. He is listed DTD. I pick up a new player that plays Tuesday. Drop him after the game, and then I can play Sid in his next game. I don't think there's a big need in either direction -- either to add or prevent it. I just think IR presents a cleaner rule. The alternative creates too much roster churning, too much attention to how Yahoo has listed your players.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:14 am

Kraftster wrote:lol, does this hypothetical scenario even exist?

Let's take Callahan, who right now is DTD and out for a month. Let's assume in the worst case scenario, Yahoo! leaves him listed as DTD for a week after his first return to action (I must say that I challenge anyone who says they keep tabs on how quickly Yahoo! removes players from DTD - what reason has there ever been for people to keep track of something like that?).


I stopped reading here. I assume i'm not outside the norm in that I check my lineup at least once per day.

EDIT:

Upon reading further, no. You're going to play Callahan on Monday, move him back to IR and pick someone else up that plays on tuesday and wednesday, then drop them and move Callahan back off the IR.

The scenario that will play out perpetually throughout the season is that someone is day-to-day and moved onto ir for a roster player for each day that they("injured" player) aren't playing a game. Its a way to get free starts and you don't losegames from your guy at all.

EDIT2:
The New Jersey Devils believe that Patrik Elias, Stephen Gionta and Bryce Salvador will all be good to go for the team's game against the Columbus Blue Jackets on Tuesday.

Advice: Of course, things kind of things can change, especially with a day between the announcement and the actual contest. Elias has nice potential in the "Czech connection" alongside Jaromir Jagr while the other two players are more marginal in fantasy terms.

Elias is day-to-day. If he were on my roster(he's on Pitts', my opponent's roster) i'd be picking someone up for today and moving Elias over to the IR+. It took me two teams to find an example of an opportunity to abuse this. My team, and Pitts' team.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Kraftster on Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:17 pm

OK, I guess I understand the doom and gloom scenario at least now.

So why has no team ever streamed players for a player on the IR in the history of the league? I guess the concern here is that you get the streamed FA players plus a couple games from your injured roster player sprinkled in as well. I just have a hard time seeing this opportunity as being any more compelling than doing it under the existing rules for IR players.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:25 pm

You're far more likely to be able to play both your player and the replacement player when someone is day-to-day. Its actually rare to get anything out of something on IR.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby TheHammer24 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:50 pm

Right. Isn't the difference that the IR players never actually play (because they're listed as on IR in the NHL), while the DTD players are approximate and end up playing while DTD. I might be missing something, though.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby TheHammer24 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:52 pm

Right. Isn't the difference that the IR players never actually play (because they're listed as on IR in the NHL), while the DTD players are approximate and end up playing while DTD. E.g., Crosby is not eligible to play until he's off IR. As soon as he's off IR, my roster is frozen---I can't pick up someone if he's sitting in the IR spot. That's not so in Idoit's example. Elias is sitting DTD right now with the potential to play on Wednesday. I suppose Sid could be announced "ready to play" on Wednesday, but be on the IR from Monday to Tuesday, allowing me to get one more player in on the Tuesday games. Here's the rub, though. Sid will have to remain on the NHL IR. I'm not exploiting a rule; Shero has control over it. Moreover, I will have already lost 2+ weeks of Sid because he will have to have been on the IR that long.
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:17 am

i am in favor of IR+ :pop: rinne is day-to-day
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Pitts on Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:20 am

Oh, so NOW it's okay?
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Re: LGP Fantasy Hockey Keeper League

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:21 am

Forgot to bring lehtonen off ir last night. At least i had quick in. Pop
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