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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Guinness on Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:02 pm

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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby redwill on Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:32 pm

There is a video (mentioned in the PDT) of a Syrian rebel eating the heart of recently-killed enemy. It's all the rage.

I don't get the outrage over cannibalism. What's the argument against it that puts it so high on the taboo list?

Meat is meat, yes?
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby PensFanInDC on Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:56 pm

I think its all about how you view humans? To me, whether is be by evolution or creation, humans are a species that are above eating our own kind in a violent and homicidal manner as is shown in the video. And if we are so advanced than the act of doing so is much more heinous imo.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Rylan on Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:03 pm

Once a body is dead it means nothing anymore though. It is nothing but meat. Besides old traditions of many warriors viewed eating the heart of a fallen foe to be an important part of the warriors life. He inherits the essence of his fallen foe. Others saw it as an insult because it would turn to poop. Interesting history really.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby redwill on Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:18 pm

PensFanInDC wrote:I think its all about how you view humans? To me, whether is be by evolution or creation, humans are a species that are above eating our own kind in a violent and homicidal manner as is shown in the video. And if we are so advanced than the act of doing so is much more heinous imo.


"violent and homicidal manner" ... :shock:

Am I wrong that there is little outrage in the violent homicide of other humans which takes place every single day in the world?

But God forgive us if we don't let that flesh rot and be useless. We must waste it, else we become somehow less than human.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby redwill on Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:20 pm

Rylan wrote:Once a body is dead it means nothing anymore though. It is nothing but meat. Besides old traditions of many warriors viewed eating the heart of a fallen foe to be an important part of the warriors life. He inherits the essence of his fallen foe. Others saw it as an insult because it would turn to poop. Interesting history really.


So you're not opposed to cannibalism?
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby PensFanInDC on Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:43 pm

redwill wrote:
PensFanInDC wrote:I think its all about how you view humans? To me, whether is be by evolution or creation, humans are a species that are above eating our own kind in a violent and homicidal manner as is shown in the video. And if we are so advanced than the act of doing so is much more heinous imo.


"violent and homicidal manner" ... :shock:

Am I wrong that there is little outrage in the violent homicide of other humans which takes place every single day in the world?

But God forgive us if we don't let that flesh rot and be useless. We must waste it, else we become somehow less than human.


You're not wrong at all. Personally it all affects me the same. Its abhorrent.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby redwill on Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:28 am

What if it was done respectfully, with all reverence and honor given to the dead?
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Sarcastic on Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:46 am

redwill wrote:What if it was done respectfully, with all reverence and honor given to the dead?


So doing a little prayer before cutting off a chunk and throwing it on the grill? (of course, the dude would have to have no family making a claim on the body)
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby PensFanInDC on Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:36 am

redwill wrote:What if it was done respectfully, with all reverence and honor given to the dead?


IMO, no. That doesn't make it ok. There is a difference between eating out of necessity and out of violence and hate.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:51 am

Often times truth *is* stranger than fiction:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/world/tha ... nkcharge2a
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Kaizer on Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:22 am

I would kill them with violence and hate, but i'd eat them with garlic and butter.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby shmenguin on Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:06 am

Kaizer wrote:I would kill them with violence and hate, but i'd eat them with garlic and butter.


Or fava beans and a nice chianti
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby redwill on Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:41 pm

An interesting question: Must "comfort" given by military chaplains be exclusively spiritual?

http://www.npr.org/2013/07/31/207320123/should-military-chaplains-have-to-believe-in-god

Enter Jason Heap, a 38-year-old graduate of the University of Oxford, and of Brite Divinity School at Texas Christian University. Heap was born in Houston and raised in Philadelphia as a devout Christian; he was licensed as a Christian minister in Texas, and, ultimately, lost his faith.
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For the past 12 years, Heap has been living in the United Kingdom — mainly teaching in public schools — where he has become a prominent humanist. A humanist — often used interchangeably with nontheist — does not recognize a supernatural God; they believe in the human ability to lead an ethical life and aspire to good without relying on religious belief.

Heap is applying to become the first humanist chaplain with the U.S. Navy. These chaplains are also assigned to the pastoral care of Marines..

According to current Pentagon records, about 1 percent of active duty military in all four services checked boxes for "agnostic" and "atheist" as their religious status. That's more than 13,000 soldiers, airmen, Marines and sailors. This is, incidentally, more than all the Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims combined — and they each have their own chaplains.


The House of Representative weighs in in predictable fashion:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/house-gop-vote-to-ban-atheists-from-serving-as-military-chaplains-100870/
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby PensFanInDC on Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:51 pm

Considering the definition of chaplain and clergy, yes I do. A chaplains duties are not confined to giving comfort. Maybe create a new position. Comfort giver.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby PensFanInDC on Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:01 pm

However I do not think there should be a ban on athiests giving comfort to soldiers. They don't need to be chaplains to do so.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby redwill on Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:08 pm

PensFanInDC wrote:Maybe create a new position. Comfort giver.


That position already exists. :lol:
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby redwill on Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:45 pm

PensFanInDC wrote:However I do not think there should be a ban on athiests giving comfort to soldiers. They don't need to be chaplains to do so.


Is there a parallel with the "marriage" vs. "civil union" argument?
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby PensFanInDC on Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:57 pm

redwill wrote:
PensFanInDC wrote:However I do not think there should be a ban on athiests giving comfort to soldiers. They don't need to be chaplains to do so.


Is there a parallel with the "marriage" vs. "civil union" argument?


Don't understand what you're asking. Pardon my ignorance lol.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby redwill on Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:42 pm

PensFanInDC wrote:
redwill wrote:Is there a parallel with the "marriage" vs. "civil union" argument?


Don't understand what you're asking. Pardon my ignorance lol.


Labels.

Why is the label "marriage" more important to some than "civil union," if the end result is the same?
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby PensFanInDC on Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:02 am

I'm not sure the comparison is apt. I'm not up to date on law but is there a difference in benefits, rights, etc., when it comes to civil unions and marriage? If so, then I would assume that is the difference between the 2 labels and one reason why it is important to some people.

The definition of Chaplain is: A member of the clergy attached to a private chapel, institution, ship, branch of the armed forces, etc.

Ok, so let's look at the definition of clergy: The body of all people ordained for religious duties, esp. in the Christian Church.

I think my real question is, why would an athiest want to become a Chaplain if it's definition includes the belief in a higher diety (not solely that of God and Christ)?

According to http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm:
Many people operate under the mistaken idea that atheism is itself a religion, but they are very wrong.


Also, atheists at http://www.asktheatheists.com/questions/10-is-atheism-a-religion/ also do not consider atheism a religion.

I think that disqualifies them from becoming clergy, and by association, Chaplains.

....Then again scientists now say dolphins are people so what do I know? lol http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/dolphins-are-people-say-scientists-28716960.html
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby columbia on Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:05 am

PensFanInDC wrote:....Then again scientists now say dolphins are people so what do I know? lol http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/dolphins-are-people-say-scientists-28716960.html


I'm on board with that idea.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby PensFanInDC on Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:05 am

columbia wrote:
PensFanInDC wrote:....Then again scientists now say dolphins are people so what do I know? lol http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/dolphins-are-people-say-scientists-28716960.html


I'm on board with that idea.


You want to marry a dolphin...don't you? :lol:
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby columbia on Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:07 am

PensFanInDC wrote:
columbia wrote:
PensFanInDC wrote:....Then again scientists now say dolphins are people so what do I know? lol http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/dolphins-are-people-say-scientists-28716960.html


I'm on board with that idea.


You want to marry a dolphin...don't you? :lol:


Just one?
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby GSdrums87 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:07 am

I concur this.
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