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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby count2infinity on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:31 pm

I mean it's the parent's choice as far as how to raise the child. I'm pretty sure I know how I'm going to raise my child as far as religion is concerned... let them decide when the get old enough to grasp the concept of religion. I'm not going to force any particular religion or lack there of on my child. I'll obviously attempt to instill a good set of morals, but if they want to go to church, i'll take them, if they want to go with a friend, I'll let them, if they don't want to go, then they don't have to.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Godric on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:39 pm

count2infinity wrote:I mean it's the parent's choice as far as how to raise the child. I'm pretty sure I know how I'm going to raise my child as far as religion is concerned... let them decide when the get old enough to grasp the concept of religion. I'm not going to force any particular religion or lack there of on my child. I'll obviously attempt to instill a good set of morals, but if they want to go to church, i'll take them, if they want to go with a friend, I'll let them, if they don't want to go, then they don't have to.


Right. I see what your saying but I have a problem with instilling a growing brain with nihilism. I think its physiologically damaging to the mind.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby columbia on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:40 pm

Why do you interpret that as nihilism?
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby count2infinity on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:42 pm

Yeah, but the absence of a supreme being doesn't necessarily mean your life lacks meaning, does it?
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Godric on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:47 pm

columbia wrote:Why do you interpret that as nihilism?


Why wouldn't I?

If its true that we are all from the center of a star, every atom in each of us, then we are all the same thing. Even a coke machine or a cigarette butt on the street in buffalo is made from atoms recycled millions of times. Same as you and I, so therefore its only me out there, therefore there is nothing to be afraid of and nothing that needs solace seeking.

Isn't that Nihilism?
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby count2infinity on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:48 pm

So it's impossible to be an Atheist and still have a sense of self-worth, family, love?
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Godric on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:48 pm

count2infinity wrote:Yeah, but the absence of a supreme being doesn't necessarily mean your life lacks meaning, does it?


The idea that my mind is the only thing that attaches meaning.... thats dark especially for those whose minds are incapable
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby columbia on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:49 pm

I don't seek an explanation for my existence, but certainly don't spend my time rejecting that which provides fulfillment or meaning.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Godric on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:49 pm

count2infinity wrote:So it's impossible to be an Atheist and still have a sense of self-worth, family, love?


What the? Where did I say this? I'm an agnostic myself, I'm just saying I don't think its healthy to instill such ideas into a young brain
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby count2infinity on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:50 pm

but it's okay to instill the idea that "we're right, everyone else is wrong, don't question it?" and i realize you haven't said any of this directly, but indirectly you seem to imply it.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Godric on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:52 pm

columbia wrote:I don't seek an explanation for my existence, but certainly don't spend my time rejecting that which provides fulfillment or meaning.


I am mentally incapable maybe physiologically incapable of making peace with the fact that there is no explanation. I won't bring any other life into this world because of that, maybe I really am mentally damaged.

I suppress the thought, daily.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Godric on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:53 pm

count2infinity wrote:but it's okay to instill the idea that "we're right, everyone else is wrong, don't question it?" and i realize you haven't said any of this directly, but indirectly you seem to imply it.


No, I'm just saying anything but nihilism :pop:
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby columbia on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:54 pm

Godric wrote:incapable of making peace with the fact that there is no explanation. I won't bring any other life into this world because of that.


And that's ok. :P Whatever works for you...
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby count2infinity on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:54 pm

i understand that, but what's the alternative to nihilism?
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Godric on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:56 pm

count2infinity wrote:i understand that, but what's the alternative to nihilism?


Lie IDK!
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby count2infinity on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:56 pm

lol...
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Godric on Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:59 pm

count2infinity wrote:lol...

if you basically tell a kid there is no free will and existence is beyond human capacity I'm pretty sure his brain won't grow as healthy

thats all I'm saying
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby count2infinity on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:06 pm

well, i don't think that you do it that way. And i doubt that the girl will do it that way either... we tell the kids that there's santa claus, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy even though we (well, most) don't believe they truly exist for the sake of letting a kid be a kid.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby shmenguin on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:27 pm

Nihilism is the belief in nothing. She believes in something.

Ergo - not nihilism.

Her message is peaceful and it implies compassion and understanding towards others. That wouldn't bother me at all. Though wasn't bill hicks some whacked out dude? His involvement would disturb me.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby count2infinity on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:34 pm

so how is she involved in this discussion?
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Kraftster on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:38 pm

Yeah, I don't interpret that as nihilism either.

I'm not thrilled with the idea of teaching a child any one view of religion/metaphysics/meaning of existence/etc. I think its only natural to explain your own beliefs to your children; however, I think its important that other alternative/opposing views be discussed as well. Hopefully one allows one's child to ultimately make his/her own choice on the matter.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby count2infinity on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:39 pm

Kraftster wrote:Yeah, I don't interpret that as nihilism either.

I'm not thrilled with the idea of teaching a child any one view of religion/metaphysics/meaning of existence/etc. I think its only natural to explain your own beliefs to your children; however, I think its important that other alternative/opposing views be discussed as well. Hopefully one allows one's child to ultimately make his/her own choice on the matter.


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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby Kraftster on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:44 pm

Godric wrote:
columbia wrote:I don't seek an explanation for my existence, but certainly don't spend my time rejecting that which provides fulfillment or meaning.


I am mentally incapable maybe physiologically incapable of making peace with the fact that there is no explanation. I won't bring any other life into this world because of that, maybe I really am mentally damaged.

I suppress the thought, daily.


It took me a long time to not be paralyzed with fear when thinking about the nothingness that likely awaits us all after death (kind of awkard to say that since we don't "experience" the nothingness). I think its the scariest thought imaginable. That said, just the fear of it has not provided any reasons for me to reject the notion. Ultimately, though, the "absurdity" of life has led me to live life the way I do -- madly -- and it has made me relish the idea of being able to create another life which can experience the miraculousness and beauty of life, no matter how fleeting it may be.
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby count2infinity on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:46 pm

yeah, even if you think life is all for nothing, it's still awesome...
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Re: LGP Philosophy Discussion Thread

Postby shmenguin on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:47 pm

it's gonna be tricky with my future kids. my wife is a catholic, and i'm an athiest who doesn't lie when asked straightforward questions. i don't mind raising my kids catholic, and i'll accompany them to church, but if i get some questions from a 6 year old about heaven and jesus and whatever other supernatural business is brought up in their day-to-day life, i don't know how i'm going to answer. it'll be a lot of work.
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