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Re: Stock Market

Postby pittsoccer33 on Fri May 18, 2012 4:23 pm

AlexPKeaton wrote:Shaky IPO day for Facebook I would think if they have to resort to their underwriters to keep the stock up.


at the same time there wasnt much interest today in borrowing shares to short. the subscription shares should become more easily available on tuesday, so it will be interesting to see what the lending market looks like for it.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri May 18, 2012 5:27 pm

pittsoccer33 wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:Shaky IPO day for Facebook I would think if they have to resort to their underwriters to keep the stock up.


at the same time there wasnt much interest today in borrowing shares to short. the subscription shares should become more easily available on tuesday, so it will be interesting to see what the lending market looks like for it.

Due to the "lockup". There are no shares available to short "day one".

Facebook was overpriced, the only question is "when" it falls below the IPO offering price, not if.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby Godric on Fri May 18, 2012 5:42 pm

**** zuckerberg
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Re: Stock Market

Postby columbia on Fri May 18, 2012 6:01 pm

EPP:

Did they willfully overprice just to fleece the first round of institutional investors?
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Re: Stock Market

Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri May 18, 2012 7:16 pm

columbia wrote:EPP:

Did they willfully overprice just to fleece the first round of institutional investors?


Not normally, but with overhyped issues like this, the rules change.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon May 21, 2012 3:22 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
pittsoccer33 wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:Shaky IPO day for Facebook I would think if they have to resort to their underwriters to keep the stock up.


at the same time there wasnt much interest today in borrowing shares to short. the subscription shares should become more easily available on tuesday, so it will be interesting to see what the lending market looks like for it.

Due to the "lockup". There are no shares available to short "day one".

Facebook was overpriced, the only question is "when" it falls below the IPO offering price, not if.


It was even quicker than I expected. :pop:
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Re: Stock Market

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Mon May 21, 2012 3:29 pm

kenny the kangaroo checked the FB ticker today and got quite the LOL
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Re: Stock Market

Postby Firebird on Mon May 21, 2012 5:29 pm

ahhhmazing day.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby JeffDFD on Thu May 31, 2012 12:19 pm

Goodness...how low are stocks going to go here in May? Itching to buy...
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Re: Stock Market

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Thu May 31, 2012 12:22 pm

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:kenny the kangaroo checked the FB ticker today and got quite the LOL
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Re: Stock Market

Postby columbia on Thu May 31, 2012 12:24 pm

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:kenny the kangaroo checked the FB ticker today and got quite the LOL


Down almost 29%.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby columbia on Thu May 31, 2012 12:26 pm

This is an interesting move....

GM signs on as Manchester United's auto sponsor
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/ ... B720120531

it makes a lot more sense than those Facebook ads that they ditched.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Thu May 31, 2012 12:26 pm

it also makes more sense than silly super bowl ads that they dropped, too. who likes the car super bowl ads anyways?
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Re: Stock Market

Postby columbia on Thu May 31, 2012 12:28 pm

Manchester United's 2011 Champions League final against Barcelona was watched by about 350 million people, and even the average game draws 50 million globally, according to club officials.


That's a lot of eyes....
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Re: Stock Market

Postby Pitt87 on Thu May 31, 2012 12:55 pm

columbia wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:kenny the kangaroo checked the FB ticker today and got quite the LOL


Down almost 29%.


Anyone buy in? I got in around $33. IMO, the market was excited and is more disappointed than anything else. There are still 900 million users active in the space, and they haven't even begun to capitalize on them. This outnumbers impressions that can be generated from any single source ever.

Looking forward to the first earnings call.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby columbia on Thu May 31, 2012 12:57 pm

But how many are under 25?
There's a reason why a company like GM walked away....children don't buy cars.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby ExPatriatePen on Thu May 31, 2012 2:10 pm

Pitt87 wrote:
columbia wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:kenny the kangaroo checked the FB ticker today and got quite the LOL


Down almost 29%.


Anyone buy in? I got in around $33. IMO, the market was excited and is more disappointed than anything else. There are still 900 million users active in the space, and they haven't even begun to capitalize on them. This outnumbers impressions that can be generated from any single source ever.

Looking forward to the first earnings call.


Not as much as the shorts are. ;)

First earnings call will be interesting, but you can hide a lot when there are no real GAAP comps to compare against.

The second (Q over Q) and first years (Y over Y) are the earnings calls to play if you're a short.

The other thing to do, if you really want to go long, is wait for the lockup to expire, there are tons of shares right now that can't be traded.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby ulf on Thu May 31, 2012 10:46 pm

Pitt87 wrote:
columbia wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:kenny the kangaroo checked the FB ticker today and got quite the LOL


Down almost 29%.


Anyone buy in? I got in around $33. IMO, the market was excited and is more disappointed than anything else. There are still 900 million users active in the space, and they haven't even begun to capitalize on them. This outnumbers impressions that can be generated from any single source ever.

Looking forward to the first earnings call.

I think if FB makes it, it will be because of success in other platforms, like Google. I could see them growing and their stock going way up if they start with OS/phones/whatever on top of good old facebook.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby JeffDFD on Thu May 31, 2012 11:07 pm

Here is what I know about Facebook:

I never pay attention to or click any ads while on FB.
Their mobile app is god awful.
The "games" on FB are also awful and I have never spent one dime on any of them.


I am probably in the minority though.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:15 am

great start to the day today.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:24 am

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:great start to the day today.


Can anyone say QEIII ???

Unfortunately, this economy has gotten addicted to stimulus, and like any addiction the weening process is difficult. Not to worry though, it's an election year, no way the Obama administration sits Idley by, this is the excuse they've been looking for to spend more of our children's money to buy votes with additional government programs.

(I know it sounds cynical, but unfortunately, it's based in reality)

Edit: on retreading this, i probably should have referred folks to the Political thread after the first sentence. Sorry
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Re: Stock Market

Postby Malkamaniac on Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:42 am

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Re: Stock Market

Postby JeffDFD on Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:21 am

"DOW Erases 2012 Gains" was a nice headline to see this morning. Goodness.

When is it going to sink low enough that people start buying?
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Re: Stock Market

Postby Fire0nice228 on Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:10 pm

JeffDFD wrote:Here is what I know about Facebook:

I never pay attention to or click any ads while on FB.
Their mobile app is god awful.
The "games" on FB are also awful and I have never spent one dime on any of them.


I am probably in the minority though.



LOL. spot on for me as well.

I bought (NOT Facebook). Couldnt say no and noone can 'time' the market they say. I'm in at a comfy price. Sit and wait now.

One of my spec biotech stocks has a big FDA thing in July.. hoping it goes fantastically.
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Re: Stock Market

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:19 pm

Fire0nice228 wrote:
I bought (NOT Facebook). Couldnt say no and noone can 'time' the market they say. I'm in at a comfy price. Sit and wait now.


I absolutely detest that advice. That no one can "time" the market.

Professionals do this ALL the time. Sure, often you'll be wrong, sometimes VERY wrong, but experienced investors use the macro economic outlook to help them move in and out of assets at critical points.

If you go back and read this thread, you'll see than even an idiot like me can make some pretty decent calls and be right more than 50% of the time about major market moves.

As an uninterested investor, you probably are better off just averaging in, but by investing 10 hours a week in keeping up with the business/financial press and current political events, you can make some nice calls.

Fire0nice228 wrote:One of my spec biotech stocks has a big FDA thing in July.. hoping it goes fantastically.

I've learned the hard way that biotech is one of the riskiest sectors in the market. Tread VERY carefully.
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