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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby columbia on Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:44 pm

MWB wrote:Part of the reason it was started was to fill those positions. I'm not sure how much of a need there still is to fill those right now though. TFA seems to have much loftier goals than that at this point.


A jobs program for bored and unfocused liberal arts graduates? :pop:
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby count2infinity on Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:17 am

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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:53 am

Here's a wonderful new proposal being floated in NC:

Sixty percent of all North Carolinian teachers would make $32,000/year in the Apprentice category and be allowed to teach for up to twenty years, at which time they must retire or move on to another industry.

Thirty percent of teachers would be eligible for the Master category if they have been teaching for three years, have completed an online training program, and can demonstrate mastery of the teaching method based on “customer survey data.” Master teachers would earn $52,000/year.

Ten percent of teachers would become Career teachers, making $72,000 if they have an advanced degree and can innovate and lead.

All teachers would be able to serve in North Carolina for no more than 20 years. If the plan were to be adopted, all teachers in North Carolina would be required to reapply for their jobs in 2015.


- See more at: http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2014/01/ ... C9ztZ.dpuf
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby count2infinity on Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:42 pm

wow is all I have to say to that.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:26 pm

Anything to make it look like something is being done.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby shmenguin on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:31 pm

and who are the customers in "customer survey data"?
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:37 pm

I wondered that too. Kids? Parents?
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby count2infinity on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:40 pm

do the 60% that are forced into retirement get some sort of pension?
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby shmenguin on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:42 pm

MWB wrote:I wondered that too. Kids? Parents?


either would be a hilarious notion.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:45 pm

count2infinity wrote:do the 60% that are forced into retirement get some sort of pension?


Everyone is forced into retirement after 20 years. Good question though.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby count2infinity on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:46 pm

oh... everyone is forced into retirement. wow. that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. the best teachers I've had were the new ones and the old ones (that haven't checked out).
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby columbia on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:48 pm

Why would someone choose a career with a 20 year shelf life?
Unless I'm misunderstanding that.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:50 pm

You're not. 20 year cap.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby columbia on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:55 pm

So all of the kids who grow up in NC, who want to be teachers, will go to college and leave the state when they're 22.
(If they're smart.)

That sounds like a tremendous plan.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby count2infinity on Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:56 pm

yeah, who on earth would want to teach there now?
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby columbia on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:00 pm

It's like the don't understand the importance of community building, continuity and the role of public institutions.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:17 pm

columbia wrote:It's like the don't understand the importance of community building, continuity and the role of public institutions.


Well, a lot of people don't understand that. Those people would just rather look at some sort of bottom line, where it's profit margin or a test score.

I don't know that this plan has any chance of getting anywhere, but the fact that it's making the rounds in pretty scary. The teacher moral in NC is already very low.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby columbia on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:20 pm

Now that I think about it, my mother got her teaching degree in NC and left at age 21.
She was 57 years ahead of the curve. :lol:
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:22 pm

Yeah, I decided to stay behind the curve and taught elsewhere for 10 years, then moved here.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby columbia on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:25 pm

It's dismaying. My parents are from NC, all of old relatives (outside of my parents) still live there and I have a real soft spot for the state.
The fact that some people want to do that to their own state.....yoy.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:29 pm

It is sad. I really like it here and I love teaching where I teach. However, if I had to rely on what I make to support my family, it would be really tough and I probably wouldn't be here.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:31 pm

Latest craziness out of NC teaching is that Governor McCrory would like to give raises to teachers with 0-9 years of experience. They'd all be making $35000. Over nine years of experience? You're already paid enough, apparently.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Hockeynut! on Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:59 pm

I skimmed this thread so I hope I didn't miss any discussions pertaining to this, but does anyone else think Cyber schooling is a gigantic scam?

Several of the school districts in my area raising taxes in large part due to the escalating costs of more students/parents opting for cyber school. I'm wondering who really thinks this is a good idea?

I meet many high school juniors/seniors through my business and most of the ones going to cyber school do so only because they hate school. They can sleep in, do their classes whenever they want, work a job, etc. The school districts are forced to buy them a computer, pay for their high speed internet, and pay for their cyber school education. These costs are then passed on to the taxpayers.

A friend of mine who has 4 children has the oldest one in cyber school. Yet every day at 11am he's done with school and playing at his grandmothers while his mother sits at home on his computer and his taxpayer funded internet playing facebook games and blogging about being an awesome mom. I'm sure the other 3 kids will "go" to cyber school too. Her kids are so precious that they can't be corrupted at the public schools, yet she's too cheap to pay for private school.

I feel like a grumpy old man saying this, but that's BS. If a parent wants to send their kid to private school, they foot the bill unless they can get aid or a scholarship. Why do the cyber school people get a free ride? These aren't children with special needs, they just don't want to go to public school.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby BigMcK on Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:05 pm

To counter your grumpy old man comments, maybe if the parents, administrators, PTA and teachers were all to band together and fix the problem of a broken education system, students would go to school to learn an education and not to slack off. Children should be held accountable to a degree to learn -- but only after they have a firm understanding as to what the expectations are.

We (taxpayers) pay for this and should demand more.

And further grumpy old man thoughts, I have no skin in the game but live in an area where property taxes are high because the schools around me are quality. I don't mind paying as long as the results are there. Of course, that doesn't stop them little buggers from toilet papering the high school QB's house at least every 3 months.

Get off my lawn!

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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Hockeynut! on Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:27 pm

BigMcK wrote:To counter your grumpy old man comments, maybe if the parents, administrators, PTA and teachers were all to band together and fix the problem of a broken education system, students would go to school to learn an education and not to slack off. Children should be held accountable to a degree to learn -- but only after they have a firm understanding as to what the expectations are.


I can definitely understand it - if the student is stuck in a bad district. That said, I haven't met any students in my area who decided to go the cyber school route to get a better education. And none of the parents have used that as they're reasoning either. The parents that do care, care because they don't want their kids around bad elements. I guess I can understand that, but I also think they should bear the financial burden.
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