King Sid the Great 87 wrote:
My assessment of teachers that I had won't evolve because they aren't coming from an analysis based on fairness, disciplinarian attitude, etc. Teachers who would take a period off every once in a while to grade exams for another class or teachers who would hand out extra credit points for little more than showing up were nothing more than a disservice to the students. That opinion won't change with time. If anything, it gets worse.
I'm not saying that your opinion of those specific teachers would change over time, I'm saying that your opinion of teachers in general seems to have not evolved and is still based solely on those experiences. If you drank a couple of beers and they were bad, would you say all beer sucks and not drink anymore? Who knows, maybe you never had a teacher that was any good. I find it a bit hard to believe, but I guess it's possible. But if you did have good teachers, you obviously give them far less weight than the teachers you had who were bad.
King Sid the Great 87 wrote:I'll agree it is a societal issue. It's up to the teachers to fix it. Get rid of the nepotism (as mentioned earlier) and the union protections that make it nearly impossible to remove an ineffective teacher and attitudes will start to change.
How do teachers get rid of nepotism? Refuse to accept a job that they are offered? The unions provide due process to teachers. If a district wants to fire a teacher, they can. They just have to go through the process. The school boards are the ones who refuse to go through the process, so instead they have the teacher put in a place that they think will "cause less damage." This is beyond idiotic. Have school boards do what is right and that would solve some of the problems.
I'm not a huge union advocate, and they certainly have faults. However, as I now see my current state ripping through public education I start wishing the union had more of a presence here.
King Sid the Great 87 wrote:Even if teaching profession is 80:20 outstanding:poor teachers, that's still a terrible number. Teaching is a service, and if 20% are failures, it is poor service.
What if a child has 100% outstanding teachers? Have they received poor service? Or maybe they had two bad teachers and the rest good teachers? Have they? I'm not sure why you insist on making this an all or nothing situation. There is no profession that has that.
It is a societal problem. Are teachers part of that problem? Yes. Parents? Yes. Kids? Yes. And an attitude that is shown by some is also a problem. The person that isn't a teacher or parent or student, but just a citizen. That person who just says, "It's the teachers who just need to straighten up." A lack of willingness to know what the problems really are, but instead look at it as a black and white issue.
edit to add: Politicians are another huge problem. By and large, they know nothing about education, yet make many of the decisions (federally, state-levely, and locally).