LGP Education thread

[Point Breeze Penguins]

Re-read what I said above:

One of the reasons why education should be primarily about teaching folks how to learn and how to teach themselves.

[count2infinity]

It's actually a very proven way in the sciences called discovery learning, Pavel.... they design lessons that have the students teach themselves the lessons. I'm not a huge fan of it, but some claim it works wonders. The thought is if they teach themselves through their own mistakes and success they learn it better.

[Pavel Bure]

It's actually a very proven way in the sciences called discovery learning, Pavel.... they design lessons that have the students teach themselves the lessons. I'm not a huge fan of it, but some claim it works wonders. The thought is if they teach themselves through their own mistakes and success they learn it better.

I gotcha. The learning software example threw me off. Made no sense at all.

[Point Breeze Penguins]

It's actually a very proven way in the sciences called discovery learning, Pavel.... they design lessons that have the students teach themselves the lessons. I'm not a huge fan of it, but some claim it works wonders. The thought is if they teach themselves through their own mistakes and success they learn it better.

I gotcha. The learning software example threw me off. Made no sense at all.

Again if you properly teach someone problem solving skills and how to read directions and comprehend them. (i.e.- teach them how to teach themselves.) you teach them how to teach themselves when presented with a new problem, like being given new software.

[count2infinity]

give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll lie about the size of the fish he caught sort of thing pbp?

[Gaucho]

Agreed, education should be about skills, not passing a test. Most teachers I know would readily agree with that.

[Point Breeze Penguins]

give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll lie about the size of the fish he caught sort of thing pbp?

Exactly

[Pavel Bure]

It's actually a very proven way in the sciences called discovery learning, Pavel.... they design lessons that have the students teach themselves the lessons. I'm not a huge fan of it, but some claim it works wonders. The thought is if they teach themselves through their own mistakes and success they learn it better.

I gotcha. The learning software example threw me off. Made no sense at all.

Again if you properly teach someone problem solving skills and how to read directions and comprehend them. (i.e.- teach them how to teach themselves.) you teach them how to teach themselves when presented with a new problem, like being given new software.

What? No amount of problem solving skills would allow someone to pick up for example Mechanical Desktop and be able to use it in a satisfactory amount of time to be productive in a job. I think your concept is sound but your thoughts on how to execute it are flawed.

[count2infinity]

I'm not with pbp on a lot of things, but i'm with him on this one. The critical thinking and ability to problem solve is severely being lost now-a-days. Kids would get very angry with me when I wouldn't give them exact instructions on what to do in some of the labs they did. I made them try to figure it out themselves. Use their previous knowledge to gain new knowledge, and if they don't know something, go look it up and then come back to it. Teach them how to teach themselves, it's a concept that's pretty well known in education.

[Physical_Graffiti]

So you wanted your students to learn while you did as little as possible? You're an awesome teacher

[Physical_Graffiti]

It's actually a very proven way in the sciences called discovery learning, Pavel.... they design lessons that have the students teach themselves the lessons. I'm not a huge fan of it, but some claim it works wonders. The thought is if they teach themselves through their own mistakes and success they learn it better.

I gotcha. The learning software example threw me off. Made no sense at all.

Again if you properly teach someone problem solving skills and how to read directions and comprehend them. (i.e.- teach them how to teach themselves.) you teach them how to teach themselves when presented with a new problem, like being given new software.

What? No amount of problem solving skills would allow someone to pick up for example Mechanical Desktop and be able to use it in a satisfactory amount of time to be productive in a job. I think your concept is sound but your thoughts on how to execute it are flawed.

I agree P_B: He's right and wrong at the same time .

[count2infinity]

So you wanted your students to learn while you did as little as possible? You're an awesome teacher

lol, you're hilarious. It's actually a lot more work to do it my way than to give them cookie cutter labs where everything is all laid out for them.

[Physical_Graffiti]

lol, you're hilarious.

Finally some recognition.

It's actually a lot more work to do it my way than to give them cookie cutter labs where everything is all laid out for them.

[MWB]

Bottom line, you need to be able to teach in various ways to teach to various kids. There's no one correct approach or one way that works for everyone. I do agree that teaching kids to teach themselves, to become "lifelong learners," is a good goal. It's a long process and one that parents can help with a lot by not doing things for their kids so much. It's okay for kids to fail at something if they learn from it.

[MRandall25]

Bottom line, you need to be able to teach in various ways to teach to various kids. There's no one correct approach or one way that works for everyone. I do agree that teaching kids to teach themselves, to become "lifelong learners," is a good goal. It's a long process and one that parents can help with a lot by not doing things for their kids so much. It's okay for kids to fail at something if they learn from it.

BUT THIS IS 'MURICA. OUR KIDS SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORK TO DONE GUD IN SKOOL

[count2infinity]

lol, you're hilarious.

Finally some recognition.

It's actually a lot more work to do it my way than to give them cookie cutter labs where everything is all laid out for them.

well...luckily i quit the teaching lifestyle because all i did was sit around all day waiting until that clock hit 3:15 so i could go home. now i have a real job.

[Physical_Graffiti]

I wish I had a real job .

[count2infinity]

i guess we all can't be as lucky as I am...

[Pavel Bure]

I'm not with pbp on a lot of things, but i'm with him on this one. The critical thinking and ability to problem solve is severely being lost now-a-days. Kids would get very angry with me when I wouldn't give them exact instructions on what to do in some of the labs they did. I made them try to figure it out themselves. Use their previous knowledge to gain new knowledge, and if they don't know something, go look it up and then come back to it. Teach them how to teach themselves, it's a concept that's pretty well known in education.

That's constructivism to a T, force them to call on prior knowledge to learn new things. But you did provide them with enough of a base (scaffolding) that you knew and were confident they had all the tools needed to discover the new. It's not like you threw them into the lab with no knowledge and told them to figure it out because they should teach themselves.

[MRandall25]

i guess we all can't be as lucky as I am...

If you don't mind me asking, what do you do now instead of teaching?

[MWB]

lol, you're hilarious.

Finally some recognition.

It's actually a lot more work to do it my way than to give them cookie cutter labs where everything is all laid out for them.

well...luckily i quit the teaching lifestyle because all i did was sit around all day waiting until that clock hit 3:15 so i could go home. now i have a real job. :roll:

I only have to wait until 2:30. :pop:

[Draftnik]

Eddie Murphy summed it up well years ago when he said (paraphrasing) "follow a stupid kid home and a stupid parent opens the door."

If parents aren't serious about making sure their kids are high educational achievers the best teachers in the world won't coach them up to be smart kids at the macro level.

[Pavel Bure]

Eddie Murphy summed it up well years ago when he said (paraphrasing) "follow a stupid kid home and a stupid parent opens the door."

If parents aren't serious about making sure their kids are high educational achievers the best teachers in the world won't coach them up to be smart kids at the macro level.

And guess who breeds the most.

[Point Breeze Penguins]

I'm not with pbp on a lot of things, but i'm with him on this one. The critical thinking and ability to problem solve is severely being lost now-a-days. Kids would get very angry with me when I wouldn't give them exact instructions on what to do in some of the labs they did. I made them try to figure it out themselves. Use their previous knowledge to gain new knowledge, and if they don't know something, go look it up and then come back to it. Teach them how to teach themselves, it's a concept that's pretty well known in education.

That's constructivism to a T, force them to call on prior knowledge to learn new things. But you did provide them with enough of a base (scaffolding) that you knew and were confident they had all the tools needed to discover the new. It's not like you threw them into the lab with no knowledge and told them to figure it out because they should teach themselves.

Who was advocating that?

[Pavel Bure]

Like I said that's what you seemed to be suggesting with the software example. No biggie.