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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:52 pm

King Sid the Great 87 wrote:1 in 6 teachers missed 18+ days in 2012-2013.

Average public school teachers missed 11 days.

Long term absences (10+ days) weren't counted.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/study-ab ... 1401766377


From the same story:
The Washington-based think tank examined data provided by 40 large school districts for the 2012-13 school year and found that, on average, teachers were in the classroom 94 percent of the 186-day school year. About 71 percent of the time taken was because of illness or personal leave, with the rest for school business.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby roland on Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:09 pm

MWB wrote:
King Sid the Great 87 wrote:1 in 6 teachers missed 18+ days in 2012-2013.

Average public school teachers missed 11 days.

Long term absences (10+ days) weren't counted.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/study-ab ... 1401766377


From the same story:
The Washington-based think tank examined data provided by 40 large school districts for the 2012-13 school year and found that, on average, teachers were in the classroom 94 percent of the 186-day school year. About 71 percent of the time taken was because of illness or personal leave, with the rest for school business.


One very important point that was left out of that article is that if a teacher had to attend a training seminar, professional development, or certification program and needed to be out of the classroom, that counts as "missed days" because a sub was assigned to teach class.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Ron` on Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:31 pm

Difference between education and training. Education is broad based knowledge. Training is specific to the task. Analogy is that your daughter comes home and tells you she had sex education. You are not worried. If she comes home and tells you she had sex training, it's a different story.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby IanMoran on Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:43 pm

roland wrote:
One very important point that was left out of that article is that if a teacher had to attend a training seminar, professional development, or certification program and needed to be out of the classroom, that counts as "missed days" because a sub was assigned to teach class.

Yea, idk how that article can mean much of anything without knowing how many days they were essentially forced to miss
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby dodint on Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:47 pm

Ron` wrote:Difference between education and training. Education is broad based knowledge. Training is specific to the task. Analogy is that your daughter comes home and tells you she had sex education. You are not worried. If she comes home and tells you she had sex training, it's a different story.


:thumb:

I've been thinking about the differences between studying for my degree program and getting certified through industry certifications. Your analogy feels pretty close in that regard, as well.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Ron` on Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:07 pm

dodint wrote:
Ron` wrote:Difference between education and training. Education is broad based knowledge. Training is specific to the task. Analogy is that your daughter comes home and tells you she had sex education. You are not worried. If she comes home and tells you she had sex training, it's a different story.


:thumb:

I've been thinking about the differences between studying for my degree program and getting certified through industry certifications. Your analogy feels pretty close in that regard, as well.

Get the industry certs, they mean more now than a degree for getting jobs....
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby columbia on Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:08 pm

Those Oracle certifications are awfully pricey, as I recall.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Ron` on Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:19 pm

columbia wrote:Those Oracle certifications are awfully pricey, as I recall.

So is a 4 year degree from most colleges.

I was lucky and got most of my "certs" via the military. I chose to not take a full academic ride from Pitt for a chemical engineering degree. The practical training has worked out better for me in the long run. Been a good career path.

Son is headed down the same path, but not military. Multiple certs in fiber optics and networking.... He's doing fine. He did get a 2 year associates degree up front from Penn Tech.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby dodint on Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:23 pm

VMWare, too. Something like ~$4000 and you have to get your company to let you off to attend the in-person portion for a week. People fly to India to take the course to save a few grand. Insane. My company gives me the IRS limit of $4500 annually to do training/school, but for something like that I'd still have to use a weeks worth of PTO.

Re-certification is the real money maker. Take CompTIA. Security+ is good for three years, and costs $300. Or, you can renew it by taking higher certifications at $300 each. If you run out of CompTIA certs, you can take other vendor certs and transfer them in, but you'll pay $147 for the privilege plus the cost of the other vendor, be it Oracle/Cisco/MS/VMWare/whatever. The DoD requires every civ/contractor to have Security+, so they're just printing money over there.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Ron` on Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:26 pm

dodint wrote:VMWare, too. Something like ~$4000 and you have to get your company to let you off to attend the in-person portion for a week. People fly to India to take the course to save a few grand. Insane. My company gives me the IRS limit of $4500 annually to do training/school, but for something like that I'd still have to use a weeks worth of PTO.

Re-certification is the real money maker. Take CompTIA. Security+ is good for three years, and costs $300. Or, you can renew it by taking higher certifications at $300 each. If you run out of CompTIA certs, you can take other vendor certs and transfer them in, but you'll pay $147 for the privilege plus the cost of the other vendor, be it Oracle/Cisco/MS/VMWare/whatever. The DoD requires every civ/contractor to have Security+, so they're just printing money over there.

There are costs with every field you choose to enter. I would agree that the software certs are gouging the professionals though.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby dodint on Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:39 pm

The gentleman I share an office with says he has talked to some of the certification folks, and he claims they told him the sitting fees are constructed with the mindset that a corporate training department would be footing the bill. It's unrealistic for an individual to buy in on their own, but of course is someone does, they're happy to take the money. Kind of wish there was a tier system.

Similar to medical costs, actually.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby columbia on Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:00 pm

I hadn't heard about this until this morning, when my two office mates were discussing it:
http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/08/pf/coll ... ent-loans/

My first (verbal) reaction was "Well, that sounds like a ripoff." I was told that it was great for the borrowers. Naturally, I was speaking from the perspective of a tax payer...so I just dropped it, in the interest of harmony.

Hey, no one forced you (one of my office mates) to get a PhD in music and then be unable to properly apply it (or deal with the implications of taking on all of that debt).
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby King Sid the Great 87 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:29 pm

columbia wrote:I hadn't heard about this until this morning, when my two office mates were discussing it:
http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/08/pf/coll ... ent-loans/

My first (verbal) reaction was "Well, that sounds like a ripoff." I was told that it was great for the borrowers. Naturally, I was speaking from the perspective of a tax payer...so I just dropped it, in the interest of harmony.

Hey, no one forced you (one of my office mates) to get a PhD in music and then be unable to properly apply it (or deal with the implications of taking on all of that debt).



These are the types of decisions that are easy to make when you are spending other people's money. This government is some kind of **** up.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Troy Loney on Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:32 pm

columbia wrote:I hadn't heard about this until this morning, when my two office mates were discussing it:
http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/08/pf/coll ... ent-loans/

My first (verbal) reaction was "Well, that sounds like a ripoff." I was told that it was great for the borrowers. Naturally, I was speaking from the perspective of a tax payer...so I just dropped it, in the interest of harmony.

Hey, no one forced you (one of my office mates) to get a PhD in music and then be unable to properly apply it (or deal with the implications of taking on all of that debt).


Do you think the government should profit? I think it should be as close to a net 0 outcome as possible.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby dodint on Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:55 pm

I used military TA to get my undergrad, and now I'm using the GI Bill to finish my masters. What a mooch.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby columbia on Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:58 pm

That doesn't have anything to do with the government eating some of the cost of federally subsidized student loans (and therefore bailing people out), but ok.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby dodint on Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:00 pm

It doesn't. I just don't have any student loans, because the government paid for my education in it's entirety. 8-)

But you're right, it doesn't speak to your point. It just explains why I don't voice direct opinions about this stuff as it might be construed as hypocritical.

Carry on.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby columbia on Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:02 pm

You entered into an contractual arrangement for that financial support; nothing remotely hypocritical about that.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby count2infinity on Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:05 pm

I agreed and signed on the dotted line to take out the money and pay it back at a certain interest rate. Am I mad that the interest rates are as high as they are compared to, say, banks borrowing from the government? Sure, but I still signed the line that said I'd pay it back, so I will.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby dodint on Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:05 pm

In black and white terms, yeah.

I'm also a disabled vet that gets compensation. I bet if you asked 100 people if that was welfare, you'd get a yes rate of over 90%.

I'm not picking on you, as you clearly get it. Just rambling. I'm a Libertarian that gets multiple monthly checks from the federal government, I have my own issues to work through. I'm terribly conflicted. :P
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby columbia on Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:11 pm

dodint wrote:I'm also a disabled vet that gets compensation. I bet if you asked 100 people if that was welfare, you'd get a yes rate of over 90%.


Only if they're a doosh bag. :wink:
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Pavel Bure on Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:23 pm

Well I have an interview for a STEM educator position. There are 22 applicants. Is anyone familiar with STEM education and do you have any advice. I'm researching it now and it seems awesome.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:35 pm

What grade(s) is it for? I didn't realize they had specific teachers for STEMs.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Pavel Bure on Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:24 pm

MWB wrote:What grade(s) is it for? I didn't realize they had specific teachers for STEMs.

Elementary. I've had experience using ASSET stem education which is based in Pittsburgh's south side. I was just putting out feelers to see what others might know.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Willie Kool on Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:39 pm

State Judge Strikes Down California's Laws on Teacher Tenure, Dismissal

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/teacherbeat/2014/06/breaking_california_teacher_tenure.html
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