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Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby shafnutz05 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:56 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086831/Costa-Concordia-accident-Pictures-cruise-ship-sinking-coast-Italy-Titanic-like-scene.html

Once again, I have to give props to the UK Daily Mail for some utterly incredible photos. It would appear there is some serious neglect on the part of the ship's captain here....he is even being charged with abandoning ship (for those of you not familiar with naval law, this is an extraordinarily serious crime).

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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby Chefpatrick871 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:06 pm

Never had any desire to go on a cruise, now I doubt I ever will.

Crazy the ships captain already arrested and being investigated for manslaughter and abandoning ship.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby mac5155 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:27 pm

I seem to remember someone (tif?) posting about Italian law, that they are always seeking blame or something like that. Could that be the case?

But this captain seems like a real moron. I heard he was even being charged with manslaughter.

I hope they can locate the 40-some passengers still missing (at the time I read an article earlier today)
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby Gaucho on Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:16 pm

Chefpatrick871 wrote:Never had any desire to go on a cruise, now I doubt I ever will.



May I recommend...

Spoiler:
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby Gabe on Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:50 pm

Very sad to see this. Going on a cruise is something my family enjoys and looks forward to. I've always kind of blew off the muster 'safety' drills, but I guess I probably should pay attention.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby tifosi77 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:31 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:...he is even being charged with abandoning ship (for those of you not familiar with naval law, this is an extraordinarily serious crime).

Honestly, the charge of abandoning ship is actually a more grievous offense than running the damn thing aground, imo.

mac5155 wrote:I seem to remember someone (tif?) posting about Italian law, that they are always seeking blame or something like that. Could that be the case?

Yes, that was me. (Good memory!)

I pointed it out in the context of the motor racing accident that took the life of Ayrton Senna in 1994; there's a quirk of Italian law that for every death that is deemed to be other than a natural cause blame and responsibility for that death must be apportioned somewhere. If I understand the law correctly, there is even a possibility that the prosecutor in the jurisdiction in question can get in legal trouble if they fail to bring charges in an unnatural death case.

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How frickin' close to shore was that knucklehead trying to get?!?!?!?!
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby mac5155 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:54 pm

How much "ship" is below the water in that case?
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby DocEmrick on Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:57 pm



Spoiler:
Too soon?
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby tifosi77 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:59 pm

mac5155 wrote:How much "ship" is below the water in that case?

You mean how much water does it draw when it's upright and afloat, or how much is below water in that picture?
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby DocEmrick on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:03 pm

Why is the ship so close to the Italian version of a favela there?
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby mac5155 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:04 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
mac5155 wrote:How much "ship" is below the water in that case?

You mean how much water does it draw when it's upright and afloat, or how much is below water in that picture?


How much is below water? IE whats the minimum water depth before he ran aground?
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby tifosi77 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:10 pm

DocEmrick wrote:Why is the ship so close to the Italian version of a favela there?

Yes, complete with satellite TV dishes.

Towns in Tuscany are hundreds of years old; buildings tend to have a fair bit of wear and tear on them, even in the posh seaside resorts.

mac5155 wrote:How much is below water? IE whats the minimum water depth before he ran aground?

I would guess a ship like that probably draws anywhere from 20-30 feet when loaded.

EDIT: Seems the ship has its own Wikipedia page......

Draft is 25.6'.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby DocEmrick on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:28 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
Towns in Tuscany are hundreds of years old; buildings tend to have a fair bit of wear and tear on them, even in the posh seaside resorts.



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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby thehockeyguru on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:31 pm

I am kind of confused here. It looks at least from those photos that the ship was right by the coast there. Why was there mass panic and people fighting for life boats? It looks like one could swim ashore rather easily.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby DocEmrick on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:38 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:I am kind of confused here. It looks at least from those photos that the ship was right by the coast there. Why was there mass panic and people fighting for life boats? It looks like one could swim ashore rather easily.


Especially if there's rock and cliff-faces that close to where the ship capsized. Seemingly, you could jump from the deck, safely to land below if you timed the jump right.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby mac5155 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:42 pm

Perhaps the water was cold? Not sure what the weather is like there this time of year.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby guiner on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:47 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:I am kind of confused here. It looks at least from those photos that the ship was right by the coast there. Why was there mass panic and people fighting for life boats? It looks like one could swim ashore rather easily.


Perhaps the prospect of being characterized in a movie where Celine Dion sings the theme song would be rather terrifying...
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby KG on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:49 pm

mac5155 wrote:Perhaps the water was cold? Not sure what the weather is like there this time of year.


It was, they said the local hospitals treated many survivors for hypothermia.

But I get the point...they were lucky this accident happened so close to shore!

I had no idea about Naval Law and the Captain abandoning ship was a crime...very interesting...
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby thehockeyguru on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:49 pm

mac5155 wrote:Perhaps the water was cold? Not sure what the weather is like there this time of year.


Temp there was said to be in the mid 40's to low 50's during the day. I doubt the water was that cold.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby mac5155 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:53 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
mac5155 wrote:Perhaps the water was cold? Not sure what the weather is like there this time of year.


Temp there was said to be in the mid 40's to low 50's during the day. I doubt the water was that cold.


Go to the beach in 40 degree weather and tell me the water aint cold! lol
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby LeopardLetang on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:59 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
mac5155 wrote:Perhaps the water was cold? Not sure what the weather is like there this time of year.


Temp there was said to be in the mid 40's to low 50's during the day. I doubt the water was that cold.


killed the 65 y/o who had a heart attack due to the cold water. at least that's what they're saying.

if i read the article right, it says the captain hit some undocumented reef and then headed in for shore and that's why the ship is so close. electric may have blown up on him too. really, the article didn't paint the captain in as bad a light as this thread does.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby pensfan1989 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:53 pm

The ship is likely so close to shore because they realized there was damage and tried to intentionally ground the ship to prevent it from sinking.

A similar incident occurred in 1998 with different results.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Monarch_of_the_Seas
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby Rylan on Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:55 pm

yea, thus if they were further out at sea i dont this accident even occurs.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby newarenanow on Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:31 am

thehockeyguru wrote:
mac5155 wrote:Perhaps the water was cold? Not sure what the weather is like there this time of year.


Temp there was said to be in the mid 40's to low 50's during the day. I doubt the water was that cold.


Are you serious? That water would be freezing.
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Re: Italian Cruise Ship Disaster

Postby newarenanow on Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:33 am

thehockeyguru wrote:I am kind of confused here. It looks at least from those photos that the ship was right by the coast there. Why was there mass panic and people fighting for life boats? It looks like one could swim ashore rather easily.


I could be wrong, but didn't this happen at night? I don't know if you ever been on a cruise ship, but even when you are close to shore, it is difficult to guage how far away you are.

Plus if the thing is tilting over and filling up with water, I can definitely see the panic.
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