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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:53 pm

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... eculation/

According to NAN this means the Ravens are absolutely signing Wallace.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:32 pm

The Ravens are moving to the Big 12?
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:40 pm

Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:The Ravens are moving to the Big 12?


It's part of the Big 12's attempts at an eastward expansion.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby IanMoran on Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:24 pm

TheHammer24 wrote:My brain tells me Vjax is better than Wallace and Brandon Marshall sucks, but it's probably Marshall > Wallace > VJax

I can't evaluate WRs

Its ridiculously hard to evaluate WRs because their reputations are based on production, and there are more factors out of their hands (pun-intended) in terms of production than any other position I can think of
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:54 pm

(Stats courtesy of http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr)

2011:

Wallace: 72 catches on 114 targets, 1193 yards, 410 DYAR, 32.2% DVOA
Marshall: 81 catches on 142 targets, 1227 yards, 251 DYAR, 9.8% DVOA
Jackson: 60 catches on 115 targets, 1106 yards, 268 DYAR, 15.5% DVOA

2010:

Wallace: 60 catches on 98 targets, 1257 yards, 457 DYAR, 48.8% DVOA
Marshall: 86 catches on 114 targets, 1014 yards, 127 DYAR, -1.8% DVOA
(Jackson only played 5 games due to suspension/contract holdout)

2009:

Wallace: 39 catches on 72 targets, 756 yards, 232 DYAR, 29.6% DVOA
Marshall: 101 catches on 155 targets, 1127 yards, 179 DYAR, 2.3% DVOA
Jackson: 68 catches on 109 targets, 1170 yards, 448 DYAR, 38.7% DVOA

I imagine in their book FO will have detailed YAC numbers showing where these guys catch their passes and what they do with them.

Since Wallace became a starting WR he's put comparable numbers on fewer targets than either of them. While Wallace catches his share of bubble screens most of his routes are vertical routes down the field with lower chances of success. Marshall puts up his numbers because he is a compiler. There's no way to compare receivers against one another 100%, but Wallace has better numbers. He also has substantially less baggage than both of them and is younger. Anyone who wants one of the other two receivers is acting like the kid who wants someone else's toy even though his toy is shinier and nicer.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby TheHammer24 on Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:41 pm

I'll take Wallace for sure for baggage reasons alone. Do note - Marshalls QB.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:52 pm

In 2008, when Marshall had Cutler as his QB- 57% catch rate, 181 targets, 1265 yards, 85 DYAR, -6.8% DVOA. Even with a good QB he usually has lower catch rates. He just doesn't have great hands and puts up numbers because he has a ton of passes thrown his way. He led the NFL in targets in 2008. That's why his value over an average receiver is lower than most "elite" WRs- they do more with less.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rylan on Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:53 pm

Marshall also plays more in the middle of the field than the sidelines which means he is generally battling for balls.

Also, Marshall has yet to have a consistently accurate QB. Cutler can look good and then all of a sudden look like a complete bum.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:20 pm

FO doesn't have 2011's numbers, but Marshall was 3rd in 2010 with 11 passes dropped. He was the intended receiver on 7 INT (6th most) and threw Chad Henne under the bus by saying the backup was better. 76% of his routes were 15 yards or less but he still had a catch rate under 60%. He also has a nasty habit of quitting on routes and not helping out his QB.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:32 pm

Dontari Poe (who has been mentioned as a guy the Steelers might take) is blowing up at the Combine. Did over 40 bench presses earlier, and now ran the 40 at 4.87 (which for a guy his size is frightening). We may need to start a rumor that he has a drug problem to get him to fall to the Steelers.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby mac5155 on Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:52 pm

Rocco wrote:Dontari Poe (who has been mentioned as a guy the Steelers might take) is blowing up at the Combine. Did over 40 bench presses earlier, and now ran the 40 at 4.87 (which for a guy his size is frightening). We may need to start a rumor that he has a drug problem to get him to fall to the Steelers.


He is a freak of nature for sure. Does a 400# power clean.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby TheHammer24 on Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:54 pm

350 lbs. and 4.8 :-O :shock:
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby mac5155 on Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:56 pm

Speaking of weightlifting freaks..

Image

I give you LaRon Landry.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:59 pm

Hope that LaRon can avoid steroid tests for a while.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby pfim on Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:42 pm

Rocco wrote:FO doesn't have 2011's numbers, but Marshall was 3rd in 2010 with 11 passes dropped. He was the intended receiver on 7 INT (6th most) and threw Chad Henne under the bus by saying the backup was better. 76% of his routes were 15 yards or less but he still had a catch rate under 60%. He also has a nasty habit of quitting on routes and not helping out his QB.


No way he had 11 dropped. He dropped at least that many just in the end zone.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:47 pm

pfim wrote:
Rocco wrote:FO doesn't have 2011's numbers, but Marshall was 3rd in 2010 with 11 passes dropped. He was the intended receiver on 7 INT (6th most) and threw Chad Henne under the bus by saying the backup was better. 76% of his routes were 15 yards or less but he still had a catch rate under 60%. He also has a nasty habit of quitting on routes and not helping out his QB.


No way he had 11 dropped. He dropped at least that many just in the end zone.


FO's charters are pretty WR-friendly when it comes to drops, so that number may be low. Either way, he has a ton of passes thrown to him close to the line of scrimmage and catches a little over half of them, while Wallace runs routes with a lower chance of success and catches more of them (and does more after the catch).
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Mongoose87 on Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:11 pm

Rocco wrote:Dontari Poe (who has been mentioned as a guy the Steelers might take) is blowing up at the Combine. Did over 40 bench presses earlier, and now ran the 40 at 4.87 (which for a guy his size is frightening). We may need to start a rumor that he has a drug problem to get him to fall to the Steelers.

I heard he slept with three under-aged girls while doing cocaine off of the side of a gun he'd just shot an old lady with.

EDIT: I really want Poe to fall to us.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:10 pm

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... ke-wallace

"Only two receivers in the past 30 years have gained more receiving yards and scored more touchdowns during their first three years than Wallace, and they make for pretty good company: Randy Moss and Jerry Rice."

Just let that sink in for a second. The numbers he's put up are staggering.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Geezer on Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:20 pm

Rocco wrote:Dontari Poe (who has been mentioned as a guy the Steelers might take) is blowing up at the Combine. Did over 40 bench presses earlier, and now ran the 40 at 4.87 (which for a guy his size is frightening). We may need to start a rumor that he has a drug problem to get him to fall to the Steelers.

I hope the Steelers get him but his combine performance may make someone grab him in the 10-20 spot
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Geezer on Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:44 pm

What bothers me is that it's time to cut dead wood and use some of that to sign a long term deal with Wallace. I really liked and appreciate Smith, Ward and others but it's time for them to go. Smith at 2.5 needs to get the Arians retirement program and Hines should be told to pursue other teams. At 4 mil a pay cut won't due it's highly unlikely he can make any meaningful role playing contribution. Why Kemo hasn't been cut is totally baffling. At 3+mil each keep either Farrior or Foote and cut the other. I'm also disappoinyed they are keeping Hampton and his 6 million hit but Colbert said they are. Memdenhall can be replaced by committee. He'll be out most of the season, makes over 2 mil and is a UFA after this season. There's no upside to keeping him.
I can't open the link but there's something like 17 million they could clear with theses guys without hurting the team.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby JoseCuervo on Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:11 pm

I'd be fine with hightower instead of poe anyway.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby cheesesteakwithegg on Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:27 pm

The Fan mentioned earlier today that the Steelers are a candidate to play the Giants on opening night (which is a Wednesday, as opposed to Thursday this year, due to the Democratic National Convention).

I will not be happy if the Steelers draw the Giants week 1. The defending champ ALWAYS wins that first game.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby mac5155 on Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:29 am

cheesesteakwithegg wrote:The Fan mentioned earlier today that the Steelers are a candidate to play the Giants on opening night (which is a Wednesday, as opposed to Thursday this year, due to the Democratic National Convention).

I will not be happy if the Steelers draw the Giants week 1. The defending champ ALWAYS wins that first game.


Tennessee almost pulled it off vs. the Steelers a few years ago.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby beerman on Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:33 am

Part of me would be pretty happy if they played that opener and I figure an away team will pull one out eventually. On the other hand my dad and I were planning on going to the game in NY and if that's the opener on a Wednesday night we certainly wont be going.
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Re: 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby mac5155 on Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:48 am

who are the other candidates? I'd think they would maybe want them to play Dallas or Philly..
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