By all accounts, Zimmerman is a good guy who was looking out for his neighborhood. That doesn't necessarily mean his actions were warranted or justifiable, and that is going to be next to impossible to ascertain clearly thanks to the bungling nitwits of the Sanford police department.
Shyster wrote:In response to tif:
No, the law does not prevent an investigation. In fact, the police presumably would need to investigate to obtain the probable cause. And I will say that so far as I know the police in this case hardly did any investigating to begin with. They didn't screen Zimmerman for drugs, they didn't canvass the neighborhood in an attempt to identify the victim (his body was in the morgue for several days as a John Doe), and I'm not sure how much they did in the way of gathering other evidence. A lack of faith in the police force in this case might be fully justified.
Yes, this is absolutely what I'm getting at.
It seems like all the things you cite were immediately cast aside the moment "self defense" was invoked. And I don't think that's the nature of the SYG law at all.
Also, where exactly did the shooting happen? Was it on a street? In someone's yard or lawn? A big part of the SYG law presumes that the person using the force must be where they are lawfully. I'm not entirely sure that being the neighborhood watch guy inherently brings with it carte blanche
authority to trespass.
Sarcastic wrote:BTW, did you watch Maher tonight? They said that Zimmerman used the word "coon" in that 911 call. I think they were talking about the word that was hard to figure out because he started whispering, but some thought it was the N word (I thought it was the word 'bs' or 'punk' but wasn't sure... I guess someone used special equipment to finally figure it out). Well, if that goes to the jury and they hear about that, he is screwed.
There is absolutely ZERO possibility that what he said was 'coon'. I was watching the show, and when he said that I nearly threw the remote at the TV. Making claims such as this massively diminish the impact of legitimate calls of racism...... if there is any racist action here, it's most likely by the Sanford PD.
Shyster wrote:This law makes it easier to claim self-defense and shifts the burden from the actor having to show the use of force was lawful to the police having to show that it was unlawful.
I agree, but that doesn't seem to be what's going on in Sanford.
Things get more complicated. The other witness said Martin was on top. Now two women say Zimmerman was on top.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/25/10854229-witness-zimmerman-never-tried-to-help-trayvon-martin
A woman who says she and her roommate witnessed the final moments of Trayvon Martin's life told Dateline NBC that George Zimmerman had "his hands pressed on his back" and "never turned him over or tried to help him."
Mary Cutcher told Dateline that she and her roommate both saw Zimmerman "straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of trayvon's body, and his hands pressed on his back."
1) From what I've heard, Zimmerman had a good 100 pounds on Martin.
2) That story is talking about the immediate aftermath of the shooting; *bang*, Martin collapsed, Zimmerman stood over him, not rendering aid (which I don't think he would be required to do in that situation). It does not say the witness reported seeing Zimmerman on top during the struggle.