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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:07 am

I don't agree with shaf's theory that all black people are criminals.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:09 am

Idoit40fans wrote:I don't agree with shaf's theory that all black people are criminals.


lol....because I said that.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:33 am

So they aren't pressing charges in that Sheridan case? He pulled a gun out to intimidate someone and then shot him in the scuffle. I guess the GZ case is going to broaden the definition of self defense going forward.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby newarenanow on Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:34 am

Idoit40fans wrote:I don't agree with shaf's theory that all black people are criminals.


:lol:
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Hockeynut! on Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:36 am

shafnutz05 wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:I don't agree with shaf's theory that all black people are criminals.


lol....because I said that.


Only the ones in the NFK and NBA. Amirite? :wink:
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:40 am

I'm curious where shad derives his ideas about the "black community" and it's "leaders". I'm sure there are people that fit his description, but that's a ridiculous generalization to apply to them.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:41 am

PensFanInDC wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/08/jackson-sharpton-stay-silent-on-school-bus-beating/

Self-appointed civil rights leaders and celebrities remained mum on the vicious beating of a white sixth-grader at the hands of three older African-Americans in Florida, despite a growing chorus of critics who called their silence hypocrisy given their recent, racially-charged condemnation of the Sunshine State.


“Three 15-yr-old black teens beat up a 13-yr-old white kid because he told school officials they tried to sell him drugs,” former congressman Allen West, an ex-Army Colonel who is African-American, wrote on his Facebook page. “Do you hear anything from Sharpton, Jackson, NAACP, Stevie Wonder, Jay-Z, liberal media, or Hollywood? Cat got your tongues or is it that pathetic hypocrisy revealing itself once again? Y'all just make me sick.”


"Black guilt"? :)

I dream of a day when news stories are written without mentioning the color of the actors/victims.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:27 am

Troy Loney wrote:I'm curious where shad derives his ideas about the "black community" and it's "leaders". I'm sure there are people that fit his description, but that's a ridiculous generalization to apply to them.


The most influential voices in the black community are the ones that are the most inflammatory, irresponsible, and reckless in their rhetoric. We all know celebrities shouldn't really be listened to, but when people like Oprah Winfrey compare Trayvon Martin to the horrific Emmett Till murder, that DOES have a societal impact. The most influential voices out there are the ones that encourage pointing most of the blame at the "white establishment", and strongly discourage any kind of meaningful self-reflection.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Factorial on Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:45 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:
PensFanInDC wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/08/jackson-sharpton-stay-silent-on-school-bus-beating/

Self-appointed civil rights leaders and celebrities remained mum on the vicious beating of a white sixth-grader at the hands of three older African-Americans in Florida, despite a growing chorus of critics who called their silence hypocrisy given their recent, racially-charged condemnation of the Sunshine State.


“Three 15-yr-old black teens beat up a 13-yr-old white kid because he told school officials they tried to sell him drugs,” former congressman Allen West, an ex-Army Colonel who is African-American, wrote on his Facebook page. “Do you hear anything from Sharpton, Jackson, NAACP, Stevie Wonder, Jay-Z, liberal media, or Hollywood? Cat got your tongues or is it that pathetic hypocrisy revealing itself once again? Y'all just make me sick.”


"Black guilt"? :)

I dream of a day when news stories are written without mentioning the color of the actors/victims.


You don't see the difference between crime between races and crimes committed because of the difference in race? It doesn't seem like it.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby newarenanow on Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:55 am

Shad = Calvin O Butts
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:56 am

Factorial wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:
PensFanInDC wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/08/jackson-sharpton-stay-silent-on-school-bus-beating/

Self-appointed civil rights leaders and celebrities remained mum on the vicious beating of a white sixth-grader at the hands of three older African-Americans in Florida, despite a growing chorus of critics who called their silence hypocrisy given their recent, racially-charged condemnation of the Sunshine State.


“Three 15-yr-old black teens beat up a 13-yr-old white kid because he told school officials they tried to sell him drugs,” former congressman Allen West, an ex-Army Colonel who is African-American, wrote on his Facebook page. “Do you hear anything from Sharpton, Jackson, NAACP, Stevie Wonder, Jay-Z, liberal media, or Hollywood? Cat got your tongues or is it that pathetic hypocrisy revealing itself once again? Y'all just make me sick.”


"Black guilt"? :)

I dream of a day when news stories are written without mentioning the color of the actors/victims.


You don't see the difference between crime between races and crimes committed because of the difference in race? It doesn't seem like it.

The crime in that article was because three students thought one student "snitched" on them. It was drug related. There wasn't a single mention that they beat him up because of his race.

It's not always about race.

When it's not about race, I see no reason for the media to bring race into it, unless they're trying to "poke the hornets nest"
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Rylan on Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:02 am

Theoretically you can make anything be for or not for race.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Gaucho on Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:43 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:I'm curious where shad derives his ideas about the "black community" and it's "leaders". I'm sure there are people that fit his description, but that's a ridiculous generalization to apply to them.


The most influential voices in the black community are the ones that are the most inflammatory, irresponsible, and reckless in their rhetoric. We all know celebrities shouldn't really be listened to, but when people like Oprah Winfrey compare Trayvon Martin to the horrific Emmett Till murder, that DOES have a societal impact. The most influential voices out there are the ones that encourage pointing most of the blame at the "white establishment", and strongly discourage any kind of meaningful self-reflection.


Don't confuse loudest with most influential.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby PensFanInDC on Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:50 pm

Gaucho wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:I'm curious where shad derives his ideas about the "black community" and it's "leaders". I'm sure there are people that fit his description, but that's a ridiculous generalization to apply to them.


The most influential voices in the black community are the ones that are the most inflammatory, irresponsible, and reckless in their rhetoric. We all know celebrities shouldn't really be listened to, but when people like Oprah Winfrey compare Trayvon Martin to the horrific Emmett Till murder, that DOES have a societal impact. The most influential voices out there are the ones that encourage pointing most of the blame at the "white establishment", and strongly discourage any kind of meaningful self-reflection.


Don't confuse loudest with most influential.


People do the same thing with westboro
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:52 pm

Gaucho wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:I'm curious where shad derives his ideas about the "black community" and it's "leaders". I'm sure there are people that fit his description, but that's a ridiculous generalization to apply to them.


The most influential voices in the black community are the ones that are the most inflammatory, irresponsible, and reckless in their rhetoric. We all know celebrities shouldn't really be listened to, but when people like Oprah Winfrey compare Trayvon Martin to the horrific Emmett Till murder, that DOES have a societal impact. The most influential voices out there are the ones that encourage pointing most of the blame at the "white establishment", and strongly discourage any kind of meaningful self-reflection.


Don't confuse loudest with most influential.


Regardless, these are the voices and mouthpieces that are constantly cited on network news, in newspapers, etc. In that respect, their voices DO have a major influence on their community. The WBC may be loud, but very few people take them seriously.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Gaucho on Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:54 pm

PensFanInDC wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:I'm curious where shad derives his ideas about the "black community" and it's "leaders". I'm sure there are people that fit his description, but that's a ridiculous generalization to apply to them.


The most influential voices in the black community are the ones that are the most inflammatory, irresponsible, and reckless in their rhetoric. We all know celebrities shouldn't really be listened to, but when people like Oprah Winfrey compare Trayvon Martin to the horrific Emmett Till murder, that DOES have a societal impact. The most influential voices out there are the ones that encourage pointing most of the blame at the "white establishment", and strongly discourage any kind of meaningful self-reflection.


Don't confuse loudest with most influential.


People do the same thing with westboro


People do the same thing with everything.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:56 pm

I think it's a little silly to try and pretend that Jackson, Sharpton, Winfrey, Jay-Z, et al are not still widely respected and influential within their own community. Comparing their level of influence to the Westboro Baptist Church is disingenuous, to put it mildly.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:01 pm

Who cares what celebrities like that say. I think you're pointing at a segment of the black populace and labeling it the "black community". Like I said, there are probably lots of people that fit your profile, and lots that don't. It seems like you're making statements with authority, and I don't believe that you should be speaking with authority about the "black community"
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby MWB on Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:03 pm

A black guy named Obama seemed to give a fairly level-headed speech about this.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:05 pm

MWB wrote:A black guy named Obama seemed to give a fairly level-headed speech about this.


Lol, if there's one guy who's guilty of pandering to the black community it's him.....i mean, look how they all voted for him.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:09 pm

Troy Loney wrote:
MWB wrote:A black guy named Obama seemed to give a fairly level-headed speech about this.


Lol, if there's one guy who's guilty of pandering to the black community it's him.....i mean, look how they all voted for him.


:thumb: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby tifosi77 on Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:13 pm

PensFanInDC wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:I'm curious where shad derives his ideas about the "black community" and it's "leaders". I'm sure there are people that fit his description, but that's a ridiculous generalization to apply to them.


The most influential voices in the black community are the ones that are the most inflammatory, irresponsible, and reckless in their rhetoric. We all know celebrities shouldn't really be listened to, but when people like Oprah Winfrey compare Trayvon Martin to the horrific Emmett Till murder, that DOES have a societal impact. The most influential voices out there are the ones that encourage pointing most of the blame at the "white establishment", and strongly discourage any kind of meaningful self-reflection.


Don't confuse loudest with most influential.


People do the same thing with westboro

I don't think you could find more than a few dozen people in the whole country who would consider the WBC nitwits as influential.

Can the same be said about Al Sharpton? Jesse Jackson? Unfortunately, I don't think so. Their voices still carry weight and authority. However, so called 'leaders' like that often do more harm than good, imo. There are certainly still major race relation issues in this country, and minorities need strong advocates in their communities. But I fear Sharpton, Jackson et al are more interested in their own base of influence than in the righteousness of their presumptive cause. Too many of the people with a lineage that goes back to Selma and the civil rights movement of the 60s seem vested in that legacy than the furtherance of equality.

George Zimmerman simply was not the guy to pin the racist sign to.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:23 pm

Zimmerman is a crazy person with or without racism...and with or without someone dying actually. Not sure that his profiling of TM wasn't racist though.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Pitt87 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:45 am

Sorry for the bump, but heard this AM that GZ's wife is filing for divorce. Apparently telling news orgs that GZ has a violent temper and his behavior has become erratic since the trial ended. She indicated that he has been seeking danger out since before he killed TM, and now carries the gun and seeks to get stopped or pulled over with it in his possession for the thrill.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Hockeynut! on Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:47 am

Pitt87 wrote:Sorry for the bump, but heard this AM that GZ's wife is filing for divorce. Apparently telling news orgs that GZ has a violent temper and his behavior has become erratic since the trial ended. She indicated that he has been seeking danger out since before he killed TM, and now carries the gun and seeks to get stopped or pulled over with it in his possession for the thrill.


She's just part of the liberal media conspiracy.
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