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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby newarenanow on Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:09 pm

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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby columbia on Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:11 pm

His brother is Bob Dylan?
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Gaucho on Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:50 pm

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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby tifosi77 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:29 am

Okay, I was suspect of Zimmerman from the word go (mainly because his own version of events in the Martin case flagrantly scoffed so many of the general tenets of concealed carry and Neighborhood Watch), and felt that that a manslaughter conviction was appropriate. But I was always very careful to refrain from casting aspersions on Z's character outside of the facts of that particular ccase.

That said, I just heard the two 911 recordings from this latest incident (Z also called the cops), and I'm having a really hard time finding a reason to not brand him a complete psycho.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:13 am

tifosi77 wrote:That said, I just heard the two 911 recordings from this latest incident (Z also called the cops), and I'm having a really hard time finding a reason to not brand him a complete psycho.

I just heard the 911 calls.
If you heard them and didn't know who the individuals were, I'd say he was calm and she was the one who was out of control.
Having said all of that George seems to be adept at finding trouble.
I haven't seen anyone attract trouble like this since Rodney King.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Factorial on Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:15 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:I haven't seen anyone attract trouble like this since Rodney King.


The difference is one of these two should have been in jail after being thrust into the national spotlight.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:08 am

Factorial wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:I haven't seen anyone attract trouble like this since Rodney King.


The difference is one of these two should have been in jail after being thrust into the national spotlight.


In hindsight, I actually think they both should have been. Zimmerman is clearly going mental, I'm just not sure how much of it is the attention from the trial, etc (although he had incidents prior). Either way, Zimmerman clearly has issues.

Rodney King was a two-bit dirtbag that already had a previous robbery conviction. It's a shame the cops acted so stupidly there, because they turned him into a hero he most certainly did not deserve to be.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Factorial on Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:19 am

shafnutz05 wrote:
Factorial wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:I haven't seen anyone attract trouble like this since Rodney King.


The difference is one of these two should have been in jail after being thrust into the national spotlight.


In hindsight, I actually think they both should have been. Zimmerman is clearly going mental, I'm just not sure how much of it is the attention from the trial, etc (although he had incidents prior). Either way, Zimmerman clearly has issues.

Rodney King was a two-bit dirtbag that already had a previous robbery conviction. It's a shame the cops acted so stupidly there, because they turned him into a hero he most certainly did not deserve to be.


King served time for his prior conviction and his "hero" status was symbolic for hundreds of years of oppression against blacks.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:21 am

Factorial wrote:King served time for his prior conviction and his "hero" status was symbolic for hundreds of years of oppression against blacks.


And then 53 people were symbolically murdered, over 2,000 were symbolically injured, and millions of dollars in property was looted, burned, or destroyed in the aftermath. I suppose it was all worth it in the end though, since the officers were retried.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Factorial on Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:24 am

shafnutz05 wrote:
Factorial wrote:King served time for his prior conviction and his "hero" status was symbolic for hundreds of years of oppression against blacks.


And then 53 people were symbolically murdered, over 2,000 were symbolically injured, and millions of dollars in property was looted, burned, or destroyed in the aftermath. I suppose it was all worth it in the end though, since the officers were retried.


And that's his fault?
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby shafnutz05 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:27 am

Factorial wrote:And that's his fault?


No, but his assigned status as some kind of heroic martyr, as well as the anger and hate that was stirred up by the usual suspects, led directly to the LA Riots. I'll never forget the photos of Asian shop owners standing by their door with guns drawn, knowing that there was a good chance they would die that day.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Factorial on Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:41 am

The riots and what he went though are separate issues to my original response to EPP.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:01 am

Factorial wrote:
King served time for his prior conviction and his "hero" status was symbolic for hundreds of years of oppression against blacks.

Rosa Parks was symbolic. Rodney King was just another rioter.
The police brutality against RK was abhorrent, but RK himself was no Rosa Parks.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Factorial on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:10 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:
Factorial wrote:
King served time for his prior conviction and his "hero" status was symbolic for hundreds of years of oppression against blacks.

Rosa Parks was symbolic. Rodney King was just another rioter.
The police brutality against RK was abhorrent, but RK himself was no Rosa Parks.


What are you talking about? Rodney King was rioting in the streets after being beaten by the police?
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:39 am

Factorial wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:
Factorial wrote:
King served time for his prior conviction and his "hero" status was symbolic for hundreds of years of oppression against blacks.

Rosa Parks was symbolic. Rodney King was just another rioter.
The police brutality against RK was abhorrent, but RK himself was no Rosa Parks.


What are you talking about? Rodney King was rioting in the streets after being beaten by the police?

Of course not. But RK was no different from those that did riot, and he had the arrest record to prove it.

My comment stands. Rodney King was no Rosa Parks.

Calling him an icon for black oppression is over the top. An icon for police brutality? Certainly.
But the abuse of authority by police is colorless, it's white on black, white on white, black on black, and black on white.

Lets save the "hero" designation to those who deserve it like Ms. Parks.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Factorial on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:02 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:
Factorial wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:
Factorial wrote:
King served time for his prior conviction and his "hero" status was symbolic for hundreds of years of oppression against blacks.

Rosa Parks was symbolic. Rodney King was just another rioter.
The police brutality against RK was abhorrent, but RK himself was no Rosa Parks.


What are you talking about? Rodney King was rioting in the streets after being beaten by the police?

Of course not.


Then why did you state that?
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:07 am

Factorial wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:
Factorial wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:
Factorial wrote:
King served time for his prior conviction and his "hero" status was symbolic for hundreds of years of oppression against blacks.

Rosa Parks was symbolic. Rodney King was just another rioter.
The police brutality against RK was abhorrent, but RK himself was no Rosa Parks.


What are you talking about? Rodney King was rioting in the streets after being beaten by the police?

Of course not.


Of course not. But RK was no different from those that did riot, and he had the arrest record to prove it.

You win. Rodney King was that generations Rosa Parks. :face:
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby mikey287 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:10 am

Jesus...
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:11 am

lol
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Factorial on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:12 am

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. :face:
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby newarenanow on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:15 am

Kayne West is this generations Martin Luther King Jr.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby ulf on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:15 am

Classic
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby count2infinity on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:59 am

mikey287 wrote:Jesus...


he was a cool dude, leave him out of it.
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby Crankshaft on Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:03 pm

EPP edited his post 5 times. What did I miss?
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Re: Shooting Reignites Racial Questions

Postby ExPatriatePen on Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:04 pm

Crankshaft wrote:EPP edited his post 5 times. What did I miss?

Formatting.

Factorial cut out the relevant part of my post, so I reinserted it.
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