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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby columbia on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:36 pm

Rocco wrote:
I figured I would spare you difficult reading by linking to Wikipedia. You have a very simple view of the universe and I feared using anything more complicated would lose you.



Sure. Unlike you, I can actually discern enables of evil.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby MWB on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:37 pm

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MWB wrote:I believe that study is about intervening when the actual event occurs, not knowing about an event later. Not sure how that would change the data, but I bet it would. The former means directly confronting someone; the latter does not.


People have an incredible ability to wash their hands of things they didn't witness while claiming they'd always do the right thing.


Sometimes yes, sometimes no. That study you cited said more than a third "help." certainly not a good number, but more than none. I'm quite certain that number would go up if it didn't involve direct confrontation. It would go up even more if you didn't have a personal relationship with the one doing the harm.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby Rocco on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:38 pm

columbia wrote:
Rocco wrote:
I figured I would spare you difficult reading by linking to Wikipedia. You have a very simple view of the universe and I feared using anything more complicated would lose you.



Sure. Unlike you, I can actually discern enables of evil.


But I can spell enablers. So who's got the high ground now?
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby columbia on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:38 pm

The people who would shy away from direct confrontation are cowards.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby columbia on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:41 pm

Rocco wrote:
columbia wrote:
Rocco wrote:
I figured I would spare you difficult reading by linking to Wikipedia. You have a very simple view of the universe and I feared using anything more complicated would lose you.



Sure. Unlike you, I can actually discern enables of evil.


But I can spell enablers. So who's got the high ground now?


That couldn't have possibly been a typo...
Feel free to continue to defend the enablers of child molesters.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby Rocco on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:42 pm

MWB wrote:
Rocco wrote:
MWB wrote:I believe that study is about intervening when the actual event occurs, not knowing about an event later. Not sure how that would change the data, but I bet it would. The former means directly confronting someone; the latter does not.


People have an incredible ability to wash their hands of things they didn't witness while claiming they'd always do the right thing.


Sometimes yes, sometimes no. That study you cited said more than a third "help." certainly not a good number, but more than none. I'm quite certain that number would go up if it didn't involve direct confrontation. It would go up even more if you didn't have a personal relationship with the one doing the harm.


I doubt it matters if there is direct confrontation or not. One would think people would want to help someone who they knew were in immediate harm but there are numerous studies and incidents that show this is not the case, yet everyone will always claim they will do the right thing. ESPN screamed about how Paterno should have done more, but it turns out when they were in a similar scenario with Bernie Fine they chose not to turn over evidence they had to the police.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby columbia on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:44 pm

Therefore JoePa should be given a free pass.
That makes sense.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby Rocco on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:45 pm

columbia wrote:
Rocco wrote:
columbia wrote:
Rocco wrote:
I figured I would spare you difficult reading by linking to Wikipedia. You have a very simple view of the universe and I feared using anything more complicated would lose you.



Sure. Unlike you, I can actually discern enables of evil.


But I can spell enablers. So who's got the high ground now?


That couldn't have possibly been a typo...
Feel free to continue to defend the enablers of child molesters.


Where exactly have I defended him? He didn't do enough. That's not disputed. I'm choosing not to resort to histrionics and ranting by taking tangents like Paterno's will and using it to launch arguments that aren't connected to anything.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby Rocco on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:46 pm

columbia wrote:Therefore JoePa should be given a free pass.
That makes sense.


No one's saying that. Just saying that he did exactly what most people would have done, boastful claims of heroism aside.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:47 pm

columbia wrote:Therefore JoePa should be given a free pass.
That makes sense.


YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS THREAD THAT IS SAYING THAT.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby columbia on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:51 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:
columbia wrote:Therefore JoePa should be given a free pass.
That makes sense.


YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS THREAD THAT IS SAYING THAT.


Or I am one of the few that realizes that he should be condemned as much as everyone else, who allowed the raping of children to continue.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby ulf on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:53 pm

womp womp. didn't we have this argument before, leading the thread to getting deleted?
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:54 pm

ulf wrote:womp womp. didn't we have this argument before, leading the thread to getting deleted?


At this point, I request it. The first four or five pages were a good discussion with people posting updates from the Jerry Sandusky trial.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby columbia on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:55 pm

ulf wrote:womp womp. didn't we have this argument before, leading the thread to getting deleted?


Nothing less than a full condemnation of every enabler is acceptable.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:58 pm

columbia wrote:
ulf wrote:womp womp. didn't we have this argument before, leading the thread to getting deleted?


Nothing less than a full condemnation of every enabler is acceptable.


Ok great, we know. This thread was intended to discuss the trial. The trial.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby Pavel Bure on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:58 pm

columbia wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:
columbia wrote:Therefore JoePa should be given a free pass.
That makes sense.


YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS THREAD THAT IS SAYING THAT.


Or I am one of the few that realizes that he should be condemned as much as everyone else, who allowed the raping of children to continue.

I got crucified for that stance columbia. Still the guy is dead at this point not much else to say. I'm wondering what the limitations of the civil suits will be. Can Joe Pa's wife/family be sued because of something he didn't do? I expect Sandusky and everyone involved in this to be mired in civil court battles for years to come. But yeah Joe Pa shouldn't be excused but it's not worth pointing out what he let happen. It really stirs up too many emotions for a message board.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby columbia on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:03 pm

Well, you were right Pavel.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:09 pm

Yep. You and Pavel were the only ones that thought Joe Paterno should be criticized and called out for his lack of action during this whole mess. Congratulations.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby columbia on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:13 pm

I'll stop when people stop defending his virtue; you know, those scholarships really make up for utter moral failure.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby Rocco on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:14 pm

columbia wrote:I'll stop when people stop defending his virtue; you know, those scholarships really make up for utter moral failure.


You're the one that brought up the scholarships in the first place in this thread.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby Rylan on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:16 pm

:lol: I needed the lulz. Thanks.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby columbia on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:16 pm

Rocco wrote:
columbia wrote:I'll stop when people stop defending his virtue; you know, those scholarships really make up for utter moral failure.


You're the one that brought up the scholarships in the first place in this thread.


Nope. see mac5155, whom I quoted earlier from this thread.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:16 pm

columbia wrote:I'll stop when people stop defending his virtue; you know, those scholarships really make up for utter moral failure.


I don't want to get drawn into this argument again, but I look at someone's whole body of work. I believe he did a ton of good in his lifetime, but later in his life, failed horribly when he could have done the right thing. I look at his legacy by taking EVERYTHING he did, good and bad, over the last sixty years. I think he was a good man that really crapped the bed morally and in terms of leadership with the Sandusky case. Why is that so hard to understand?

If you think his legacy should be 100% about the Sandusky case, and all of the good he did over many decades should be completely erased due to that, then more power to you. That's just not the way I think.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby Rocco on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:19 pm

columbia wrote:
Rocco wrote:
columbia wrote:I'll stop when people stop defending his virtue; you know, those scholarships really make up for utter moral failure.


You're the one that brought up the scholarships in the first place in this thread.


Nope. see mac5155, whom I quoted earlier from this thread.


viewtopic.php?f=5&t=58980&start=100#p2131433

Had no idea you were quoting from a post 3 days ago based on that. Either way, you're the one rolling the ball bearings on this for reasons not completely known.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Postby columbia on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:19 pm

@shad Agree to disagree, then.
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