Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

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Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby Malkamaniac on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:11 am

What say you?
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby Troy Loney on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:12 am

Other: Probably
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby Malkamaniac on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:14 am

At first I thought it was more or less people just trying to attack his name. Now I get the feeling more and more that he did it, but if he admitted it, it'd absolutely destroy his brand.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby columbia on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:14 am

Malkamaniac wrote:At first I thought it was more or less people just trying to attack his name. Now I get the feeling more and more that he did it, but if he admitted it, it'd absolutely destroy his brand.


See: Clemens, Roger
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby MWB on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:17 am

Heart says no, head says probably.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby Malkamaniac on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:17 am

columbia wrote:
Malkamaniac wrote:At first I thought it was more or less people just trying to attack his name. Now I get the feeling more and more that he did it, but if he admitted it, it'd absolutely destroy his brand.


See: Clemens, Roger


I think the Lance case would blow away the Roger Clemens case. This guy was a national "hero" for 7 plus years, has a very successful cancer charity and all around has built his brand from his sports winning and his story.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby columbia on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:20 am

Sure...I was just thinking of an ego getting in the way of the truth factor.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby Malkamaniac on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:25 am

columbia wrote:Sure...I was just thinking of an ego getting in the way of the truth factor.


Ah in that case I totally agree. I just thought you mean on the entire scope level lol.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby MWB on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:25 am

Has there been a "smoking gun" yet? Part of me thinks that if he was doping there's no way there wouldn't be irrefutable evidence based on the number of people who have it in for him.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby Malkamaniac on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:27 am

From TMZ:

Lance Armstrong has been BANNED from competing in triathlons ... effective immediately ... over new allegations that he participated in a massive doping conspiracy.

According to the Washington Post, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency has smacked Armstrong with formal charges ... claiming Lance and 5 of his cycling associates conspired to use and distribute illegal substances from 1998 until 2011.

The USADA claims Armstrong has been using EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone, corticosteroids and masking agents.

The USADA also claims it collected blood samples from Armstrong in 2009 and 2010 that were “fully consistent with blood ma­nipu­la­tion including EPO use and/or blood transfusions.”

Now, Armstrong is firing back in a new statement ... claiming the allegations are "baseless, motivated by spite and advanced through testimony bought and paid for by promises of anonymity and immunity."

Armstrong continues, "I have never doped, and, unlike many of my accusers, I have competed as an endurance athlete for 25 years with no spike in performance, passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one."

"That USADA ignores this fundamental distinction and charges me instead of the admitted dopers says far more about USADA, its lack of fairness and this vendetta than it does about my guilt or innocence."
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby llipgh2 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:33 am

You need one more selection in the polls: Who cares? Because I don't.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby IanMoran on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:33 am

Yes

But dang hes really going down swinging lol
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby MWB on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:39 am

Either his is completely confident that his masking agents are 100% effective and he'll never test positive, or he's innocent. Or, like Clemens, he has convinced himself that his lie is true and no longer knows the difference. It makes little sense that as recently as a year ago he would still be using.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby IrishEyes on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:43 am

I have no idea... but I really hope he's innocent, just for the sake of everything he stands for not being a lie.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby viva la ben on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:52 am

It sure seems like a vendetta. Unless there is a positive drug test, but even if there is Ryan Braun just dont care.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby blackjack68 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:53 am

I blame him for all these rubber wristbands for every freakin cause in every color.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby canaan on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:54 am

yes.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby yubb on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:57 am

Just make performance enhancing drugs legal and we can avoid all this nonsense.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby canaan on Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:59 am

yubb wrote:Just make performance enhancing drugs legal and we can avoid all this nonsense.

which would lead to a whole new bucket of nonsense once the 5 and 6 year old epidemic of PED's in the little leagues would take hold.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby IanMoran on Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:06 am

It's the dirtiest sport in the world

His whole team / everyone around him has been involved in it

I'd be shocked if he was clean

Idc though and I don't think it ruins "everything he's about"
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby Gaucho on Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:13 am

Of course he is.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby demondg1 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:19 am

Probably a doper. But who cares? It's his hot body. Whateva. He do what he want.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby yubb on Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:19 am

canaan wrote:
yubb wrote:Just make performance enhancing drugs legal and we can avoid all this nonsense.

which would lead to a whole new bucket of nonsense once the 5 and 6 year old epidemic of PED's in the little leagues would take hold.


We typically use a different set of rules for children than we do adults.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby CBear3 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:24 am

Honestly, this is about as important as Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds, or Roger Clemens. If he is a Doper, who really cares. You could probably count the number of clean riders on one hand back then if all the allegations are to be believed. So it doesn't lessen his achievements on a bike. Just like the aforementioneds performances in baseball.

His brand however, would probably never recover like Malka said.
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Re: Lance Armstrong, Doper or Not?

Postby Malkamaniac on Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:45 am

IanMoran wrote:It's the dirtiest sport in the world

His whole team / everyone around him has been involved in it

I'd be shocked if he was clean

Idc though and I don't think it ruins "everything he's about"


His entire career from beating cancer to overcoming odds in those 7 races. It wipes everything away. He didn't overcome cancer to beat everyone.

He overcame cancer with the help of steroids to beat everyone else. That of course is if everyone was doping then he overcame the dopers as well, but it's something I feel is a huge black cloud over his head.
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