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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby canaan on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:47 am

thehockeyguru wrote:
canaan wrote:Rutgers is the best of the bunch, from a business perspective.


Why?

the NY market
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby ulf on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:57 am

The NY market has the Jets and Giants. Heck they watch Notre Dame more than Rutgers. The Rutgers = NYC market is a myth.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby canaan on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:59 am

ulf wrote:The NY market has the Jets and Giants. Heck they watch Notre Dame more than Rutgers. The Rutgers = NYC market is a myth.

myth or not, the potential to tap into a market given what the conference feels is a core group of college powerhouses (Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan), it is worth the add in their eyes.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:00 am

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:
ulf wrote:hehe welcome back rocco


kenny the kangaroo hasnt checked lgp.com since wednesday, and lo and behold rocco goes on a vintage rant on college fb. what a great day to return to lgp.com.


I was planning on staying on hiatus until the lockout ended, but that's not happening and I needed my fix of doom because a broke, rotgut program is leaving the ACC.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby canaan on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:03 am

+1 for rotgut usage
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby thehockeyguru on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:08 am

Rocco wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:
ulf wrote:hehe welcome back rocco


kenny the kangaroo hasnt checked lgp.com since wednesday, and lo and behold rocco goes on a vintage rant on college fb. what a great day to return to lgp.com.


I was planning on staying on hiatus until the lockout ended, but that's not happening and I needed my fix of doom because a broke, rotgut program is leaving the ACC.


In the end if Maryland leaves, the ACC will look to UConn. Regardless of your opinion on Maryland that isn't a swap that benefits the conference in anything other than Basketball. The increased focus on basketball will likely irk Clemson and FSU no doubt.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby newarenanow on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:17 am

ulf wrote:The NY market has the Jets and Giants. Heck they watch Notre Dame more than Rutgers. The Rutgers = NYC market is a myth.


FOX just bought the YES network (the Yankees station) and FOX is also 49% rights holder in the BTN. The way the BTN is set up, if you are in a state with a program in it, the carriage rate goes from like .08 a subscriber to .80 cents.

Before, the NY area cable markets could care less about the BTN, even if RU was in the Big 10, so it wasn't a net win for the Big 10. But now that FOX owns the YES network, they are going to package it to a higher tier with the BTN network, and now just having RU is a goldmine.

RU will still be irrevelvant in NYC unless the are winning, but it doesn't matter because the BTN will be pulling in a ton of cash due to them. UMD too.

This expansion was solely about market penetration. They will look to Virginia and North Carolina next. And when the SEC launches their network, ti will be the same.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby newarenanow on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:18 am

thehockeyguru wrote:In the end if Maryland leaves, the ACC will look to UConn. Regardless of your opinion on Maryland that isn't a swap that benefits the conference in anything other than Basketball. The increased focus on basketball will likely irk Clemson and FSU no doubt.


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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby thehockeyguru on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:25 am

If Maryland leaves I think the SEC will call FSU and Clemson shortly after. Then the chaos will ensue.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby thehockeyguru on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:51 am

The University of Maryland Board of Regents unanimously approved a move to the Big Ten on Monday, a source tells ESPN colleague Brett McMurphy.

An official announcement is expected at 4 p.m. ET at the school's campus in College Park, Md.

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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby columbia on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:55 am

The Dude has just been vindicated.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:16 pm

columbia wrote:The Dude has just been vindicated.


Except this is the one Scenerio "the Dude" never envisioned. :)
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby newarenanow on Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:20 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:If Maryland leaves I think the SEC will call FSU and Clemson shortly after. Then the chaos will ensue.


I don't know if they will. I think if the SEC expands, it will be to VT and NC St. They will want those markets.

FSU and Clemsons only options IMO is the Big XII if they want to move.

Big 10 will want UVA and UNC if they go to 16.

I think this is up to FSu to keep the ACC together. IF they stay, I think the VA and NC schools are happy and will stay. IF FSU goes and Clemson goes with them, then the SEC and Big 10 will slice up the UNC/UVA (to Big 10) and NC St and VT (to SEC) so all schools have a safe landing spot for political reasons within the state.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:31 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
Rocco wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:
ulf wrote:hehe welcome back rocco


kenny the kangaroo hasnt checked lgp.com since wednesday, and lo and behold rocco goes on a vintage rant on college fb. what a great day to return to lgp.com.


I was planning on staying on hiatus until the lockout ended, but that's not happening and I needed my fix of doom because a broke, rotgut program is leaving the ACC.


In the end if Maryland leaves, the ACC will look to UConn. Regardless of your opinion on Maryland that isn't a swap that benefits the conference in anything other than Basketball. The increased focus on basketball will likely irk Clemson and FSU no doubt.


I'm sure FSU and Clemson are truly going to miss a program that's been horribly mismanaged and in massive debt like MD. It doesn't hurt in football. At most it will result in slightly worse TV spots in Baltimore TV. Nobody in DC watches MD football. VT/UVA give the ACC television exposure in that market.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:33 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:If Maryland leaves I think the SEC will call FSU and Clemson shortly after. Then the chaos will ensue.


SEC schools have a gentleman's agreement to not take rivals. That's why they ended up with Mizzou last year.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:35 pm

Rocco wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
Rocco wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:
ulf wrote:hehe welcome back rocco


kenny the kangaroo hasnt checked lgp.com since wednesday, and lo and behold rocco goes on a vintage rant on college fb. what a great day to return to lgp.com.


I was planning on staying on hiatus until the lockout ended, but that's not happening and I needed my fix of doom because a broke, rotgut program is leaving the ACC.


In the end if Maryland leaves, the ACC will look to UConn. Regardless of your opinion on Maryland that isn't a swap that benefits the conference in anything other than Basketball. The increased focus on basketball will likely irk Clemson and FSU no doubt.


I'm sure FSU and Clemson are truly going to miss a program that's been horribly mismanaged and in massive debt like MD. It doesn't hurt in football. At most it will result in slightly worse TV spots in Baltimore TV. Nobody in DC watches MD football. VT/UVA give the ACC television exposure in that market.

"It's true that I recently lost an arm, but it's no big deal, it was my left arm and I'm right handed..."

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You can put lipstick on a pig...


No way to spin this as good for the ACC. Maybe they can pick up Towsend State as a replacement. :)

Come on, I gotta have fun with this... Lord knows I haven't had much fun these past five weeks of the CFB season :)
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:00 pm

newarenanow wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:If Maryland leaves I think the SEC will call FSU and Clemson shortly after. Then the chaos will ensue.


I don't know if they will. I think if the SEC expands, it will be to VT and NC St. They will want those markets.

FSU and Clemsons only options IMO is the Big XII if they want to move.

Big 10 will want UVA and UNC if they go to 16.

I think this is up to FSu to keep the ACC together. IF they stay, I think the VA and NC schools are happy and will stay. IF FSU goes and Clemson goes with them, then the SEC and Big 10 will slice up the UNC/UVA (to Big 10) and NC St and VT (to SEC) so all schools have a safe landing spot for political reasons within the state.


Why would it make sense for the SEC NOT to pick up Clemson? The Clemson-SC rivalry alone should be reason enough (if I'm thinking of the right thing)
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:02 pm

canaan wrote:
ulf wrote:The NY market has the Jets and Giants. Heck they watch Notre Dame more than Rutgers. The Rutgers = NYC market is a myth.

myth or not, the potential to tap into a market given what the conference feels is a core group of college powerhouses (Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan), it is worth the add in their eyes.


Honest to God, maybe one of every 50 sports fans here in NY (and I'm speaking of folks that read the sports section, listen to FAN, have season tickets to a Pro team here in the NYc market, or subscribe to One or more Cable TV sports networks), one in 50 of those folks could name three of the top ten CFB programs right now.

It's sad.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby DontToewsMeBro on Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:04 pm

newarenanow wrote:
ulf wrote:The NY market has the Jets and Giants. Heck they watch Notre Dame more than Rutgers. The Rutgers = NYC market is a myth.
...the carriage rate goes from like .08 a subscriber to .80 cents.

Before, the NY area cable markets could care less about the BTN, even if RU was in the Big 10, so it wasn't a net win for the Big 10. But now that FOX owns the YES network, they are going to package it to a higher tier with the BTN network, and now just having RU is a goldmine.
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+1. This is not a move that brings football prestige to the B1G (not like Purdue and Indiana add much). This is a move that, even WITH the debt of the Maryland program, is highly profitable for the conference due to the location of these programs. The move might cause bigger programs like FSU and VT to read the writing on the wall.

I think this is a well executed strategic move by Delaney; Maryland and Rutgers are merely pawns in the big picture.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby canaan on Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:11 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
canaan wrote:
ulf wrote:The NY market has the Jets and Giants. Heck they watch Notre Dame more than Rutgers. The Rutgers = NYC market is a myth.

myth or not, the potential to tap into a market given what the conference feels is a core group of college powerhouses (Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan), it is worth the add in their eyes.


Honest to God, maybe one of every 50 sports fans here in NY (and I'm speaking of folks that read the sports section, listen to FAN, have season tickets to a Pro team here in the NYc market, or subscribe to One or more Cable TV sports networks), one in 50 of those folks could name three of the top ten CFB programs right now.

It's sad.

ill make this analogy, though it may not work to express what i feel the Big Ten is doing:

They are building a small casino in the desert. If it fails, there is still profit to be had with television contracts. If it succeeds, you have Las Vegas and the ability to print money.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:25 pm

canaan wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:
canaan wrote:
ulf wrote:The NY market has the Jets and Giants. Heck they watch Notre Dame more than Rutgers. The Rutgers = NYC market is a myth.

myth or not, the potential to tap into a market given what the conference feels is a core group of college powerhouses (Ohio St, Penn St, Michigan), it is worth the add in their eyes.


Honest to God, maybe one of every 50 sports fans here in NY (and I'm speaking of folks that read the sports section, listen to FAN, have season tickets to a Pro team here in the NYc market, or subscribe to One or more Cable TV sports networks), one in 50 of those folks could name three of the top ten CFB programs right now.

It's sad.

ill make this analogy, though it may not work to express what i feel the Big Ten is doing:

They are building a small casino in the desert. If it fails, there is still profit to be had with television contracts. If it succeeds, you have Las Vegas and the ability to print money.


Maybe it's just me, but the one college football conference I have ZERO interest in is the B1G. The games just don't capture my interest AT ALL. I don't care for their brand of football.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby thehockeyguru on Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:32 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:Maybe it's just me, but the one college football conference I have ZERO interest in is the B1G. The games just don't capture my interest AT ALL. I don't care for their brand of football.


I think the problem is beyond Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska there really is very little. As a PSU grad I have to say watching Penn State this season change their entire offensive strategy, its been one of the more enjoyable seasons I can remember.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby columbia on Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:33 pm

I have wasted many hours of my life listening to WFAN and they talk about three things:

NYC baseball, Giants/Jets and the Knicks.

And occasionally the Rangers.


Or to put it another way: the NHL can hope for a successful franchise in Arizona, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby canaan on Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:14 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:Maybe it's just me, but the one college football conference I have ZERO interest in is the B1G. The games just don't capture my interest AT ALL. I don't care for their brand of football.

i like the big ten, but a lot of that is nostalgia-based. Before the NCAA sold their souls to CBS and the SEC machine, the big ten was the cash cow. when they realized they could maximize their profits placating the southern CFB fanaticism in the sec/big xii (mainly texas/oklahoma), the big ten took a proverbial backseat.
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Re: 2012 LGP College Football Thread

Postby DontToewsMeBro on Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:34 pm

canaan wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:Maybe it's just me, but the one college football conference I have ZERO interest in is the B1G. The games just don't capture my interest AT ALL. I don't care for their brand of football.

i like the big ten, but a lot of that is nostalgia-based. Before the NCAA sold their souls to CBS and the SEC machine, the big ten was the cash cow. when they realized they could maximize their profits placating the southern CFB fanaticism in the sec/big xii (mainly texas/oklahoma), the big ten took a proverbial backseat.


The PAC and BIG10 are both more profitable (currently) than the SEC and BIG12. The former two conferences compose nearly half of all revenue generated by the NCAA. I agree that the Big 10 is weaker than the southern conferences, and will be for a while. The sheer number of alumni coming from Big 10 schools will maintain its relevancy no matter what the on-field product looks like (barring a major decline in recruiting power).
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