Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:08 pm

Defence21 wrote:I'm being sincere here, and not at all smug or sarcastic -- but I must really know less than I thought I knew about baseball. All I've read says he's an average to good defensive catcher who is capable, but not great at throwing out baserunners; is good at blocking pitches; and expands the strike zone with his catching style better than most. By my estimation, that is an improvement over Barajas and Mckenry. His offense has been in a steady and sharp decline for years, which puts him at or near the subpar level of Barajas. I just don't get how this guy is good enough to be the second or third highest paid player on the team -- by a large margin -- based on what I see. Again, I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, but rather, trying to understand.



This is what happens when a team like the pirates is forced to fill a need in the FA market...it sucks, but it's just the way it is right now. they aren't going to fork over a prospect for a marginal improvement over martin which would be somebody like Arrencibia from toronto or one of the Reds catchers (Hanigan) i think. It's not a position were teams have depth to move and there simply wasn't anyone available on the FA market.

It's a draft and development issue, which is I guess what DK is hinting at when he points to the bigger picture. They screwed up somewhere with Sanchez because he should be ML ready by now, atleast defensively...but his career was derailed by injury, i'm not sure what the criticism "your long term plan was for the most ML ready catcher in the '09 draft to be ready by now and he's not" I feel like it's just these people are saying...I'm mad and I don't know why!
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:08 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
I think Jones should be the every day 1B. If I had my way Tabata would be traded and Snider in a platoon role with a veteran RF. I dont think Karstens will be back. I have no problem with a rotation of Burnett, Wandy, UFA, McDonald, Locke especially with Cole and Tailion only a 1/2 season to season away from making it to the majors.

I dont know who fits the bill of veteran #3 starter who the Pirates can afford after over-paying Martin.


Why should Jones be the everyday 1B? If Gaby can play like he did in 2010 and 2011, why not start him at 1st and Jones in Right? Gaby is a much better fielder and that fixes our RF problem.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:09 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:Catcher salaries in 2012, not exactly appetizing:

1 Joe Mauer Minnesota Twins $ 23,000,000
2 Brian McCann Atlanta Braves $ 11,500,000
3 Mike Napoli Texas Rangers $ 9,400,000
4 Russell Martin New York Yankees $ 7,500,000
5 Yadier Molina St. Louis Cardinals $ 7,000,000
6 John Buck Miami Marlins $ 6,500,000
7 A.J. Pierzynski Chicago White Sox $ 6,000,000
8 Miguel Montero Arizona Diamondbacks $ 5,900,000
9 Kurt Suzuki Oakland Athletics $ 5,037,500
10 Geovany Soto Chicago Cubs $ 4,300,000
11 Rod Barajas Pittsburgh Pirates $ 4,000,000
12 Miguel Olivo Seattle Mariners $ 3,750,000
13 Carlos Ruiz Philadelphia Phillies $ 3,700,000
14 Chris Iannetta Los Angeles Angels $ 3,550,000
15 Yorvit Torrealba Texas Rangers $ 3,250,000
16 Ramon Hernandez Colorado Rockies $ 3,200,000
17 Ryan Doumit Minnesota Twins $ 3,000,000
18 Jarrod Saltalamacchia Boston Red Sox $ 2,500,000
19 Nick Hundley San Diego Padres $ 2,000,000
20 David Ross Atlanta Braves $ 1,625,000


What is Molina at after signing his big deal?


pretty sure he's at $15M
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:11 pm

Serious question, money aside, who on that Catcher's list would you rather see in a Pirates uniform?

Mauer, McCann, and Molina obviously, but other than that possibly Montero or Ruiz maybe?
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:16 pm

Posey.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:18 pm

Weiters (fully aware he isn't on the list).
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:19 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:Well they played .500 ball all last year with those guys in right. One of them has to emerge right? Hopefully?

Starters, you can probably get by with one of those 2 rooks as the #5 guy, I mean how much worse than Correia could they be?

If they want to do better than last year though, they'll need to tender Karstens and sign a vet to round out the rotation. I would hope that out of Marte, Tabata, Presley, Snider, two of them could emerge (please?). Plus there's Jones to play right.


Well, no, they didn't play .500 ball last year. They played Sub 500 ball, again. They finished 4th in the division, again.

If you are ok with trotting out the same cast of characters in the outfield, then kenny the kangaroo must supply these factoids:

Pirates leftfielders were 27th in OPS 23rd in HR 4th most in strikeouts, 29th in walks
Pirates rightfielders were 16th in OPS 14th in HR 6th fewest in strikeouts and 25th in walks

Those rightfield stats were probably skewed by the numbers of games GFJ played in right.

conclusion: Other than jones, those guys stunk.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:25 pm

They stunk, but are worth giving another shot
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:44 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:Serious question, money aside, who on that Catcher's list would you rather see in a Pirates uniform?

Mauer, McCann, and Molina obviously, but other than that possibly Montero or Ruiz maybe?


Ruiz is suspended for PED's
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:48 pm

thehockeyguru wrote:
Mr. Colby wrote:Serious question, money aside, who on that Catcher's list would you rather see in a Pirates uniform?

Mauer, McCann, and Molina obviously, but other than that possibly Montero or Ruiz maybe?


Ruiz is suspended for PED's


Wow, I missed that completely.

Now his fluke year last season makes a lot more sense
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:49 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:
thehockeyguru wrote:
Mr. Colby wrote:Serious question, money aside, who on that Catcher's list would you rather see in a Pirates uniform?

Mauer, McCann, and Molina obviously, but other than that possibly Montero or Ruiz maybe?


Ruiz is suspended for PED's


Wow, I missed that completely.

Now his fluke year last season makes a lot more sense


FWIW it was amphetamines (not really sure what the difference is between those and roids)
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Kovy27 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:53 pm

Troy Loney wrote:Pirates make a transaction. Dejan complains about it reduntanly as hes already preemptively complained about the potential of the move.


Dejan might be the worst sports reporter in Pittsburgh and it might not even be close. All he does is whine and complain about everything.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby thehockeyguru on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:55 pm

PHILADELPHIA — Add catcher to the Philadelphia Phillies' needs this offseason.

All-Star Carlos Ruiz was suspended Tuesday for the first 25 games of next season following a positive test for an amphetamine. The 33-year-old catcher had a career year in 2012, hitting .325 with 16 homers and 68 RBIs in 114 games.



In the case of Ruiz, it's been reported by Philly.com's Matt Gelb that Adderall was the banned substance in question. Adderall is an amphetamine, or stimulant, used predominantly to control symptoms of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (or ADHD).
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby canaan on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:16 pm

Kovy27 wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:Pirates make a transaction. Dejan complains about it reduntanly as hes already preemptively complained about the potential of the move.


Dejan might be the worst sports reporter in Pittsburgh and it might not even be close. All he does is whine and complain about everything.

Dejan used to be one of my favorites...now hes unreadable.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Kovy27 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:24 pm

canaan wrote:
Kovy27 wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:Pirates make a transaction. Dejan complains about it reduntanly as hes already preemptively complained about the potential of the move.


Dejan might be the worst sports reporter in Pittsburgh and it might not even be close. All he does is whine and complain about everything.

Dejan used to be one of my favorites...now hes unreadable.


Yes. I'm ready to stop following on twitter. There is never any positive about any sports team in Pittsburgh. Bucci even said it was a good signing because of Barajas' inability to throw out runners. (6%)
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:27 pm

I unfollowed him today. Next is Josh Yohe.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby canaan on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:28 pm

without hockey going on, ive stopped reading twitter alltogether, but i can imagine his incessant whining with it being so easy to throw it out into the twittersphere so readily.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Malkamaniac on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:35 pm

I can safely say that I enjoy getting snipes into Dejean now on Twitter. He's one of the few that gets smarmy about responding to his followers.

He's pretty sweet at being very reactionary then changing said thoughts when he writes it in the paper.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby DudeMan2766 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:37 pm

I'll take Dejan and his whining over Joe Starkey still on the freaking Ray Rice - terrible towel thing :face:
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Malkamaniac on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:39 pm

DudeMan2766 wrote:I'll take Dejan and his whining over Joe Starkey still on the freaking Ray Rice - terrible towel thing :face:


DONT DISRESPECT DA TERRIBLE TOWEL.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:49 pm

Yuck,

Pirates and Dodgers talking a Hanrahan for Capuano swap, and Karstens to be non tendered to make room for Martin.

Now, these are moves to get irritated about.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:50 pm

Pirates will Non-Tender Jeff Karstens, according to Biertempfel
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby canaan on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:52 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:Pirates will Non-Tender Jeff Karstens, according to Biertempfel

thats a move to get miffed about.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:59 pm

canaan wrote:
Mr. Colby wrote:Pirates will Non-Tender Jeff Karstens, according to Biertempfel

thats a move to get miffed about.


You bet
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby DropEmJayBird on Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:05 pm

We should have signed Parkman.
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