Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby FreeCandy44 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:17 am

Troy Loney wrote:Seems pretty clear that a McDonald rebound is the consensus on LGP.

Im loving it?
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:54 am

Troy Loney wrote:
LeopardLetang wrote:
ulf wrote:ulf and troy, i agree. i think JMac will be alright. He put on that "King James" crown and thought he was going to win the Cy Young. He was a great pitcher the 1st half, and tried becoming a great thrower again in August. He'll be fine. In fact, I'd look for him to be the ace.


in all seriousness, i thought i was the only one with a lot of confidence in mcdonald putting up a good year.



I agree too, so that makes atleast 4 of us.


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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:00 pm

What's this about the Pirates giving $14M to Liriano? Did NH only watch the game when he blanked the inept Pirate offense?
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby columbia on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:04 pm

Let's hope the Mets sign Carl Pavano before NH thinks about the idea.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:33 pm

Troy Loney wrote:What's this about the Pirates giving $14M to Liriano? Did NH only watch the game when he blanked the inept Pirate offense?

He'll pe pitching in the nl central. Good chance to be pirates ace.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Kraftster on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:39 pm

Rolling the dice on Liriano is an interesting idea at the right price. $14M doesn't seem to be that.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Kraftster on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:39 pm

Oh, this is a done deal? (2/$14) Hmm, interesting. I think I like it.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:49 pm

Liriano should benefit from pitching in the NL Central and in PNC Park... nasty sinker with a GB rate at nearly 50% and a K/9 around 9.0

If he can make any meaningful improvement in his walk rate, he's going to do very well for us.

Either way, slots into our rotation nicely, even though 2/14 might be a bit higher than I'd want
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby viva la ben on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:49 pm

Unless it was a one year 14 million dollar deal idk how you can criticize this signing.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Kraftster on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:52 pm

Basically a little bit below the McCarthy deal, right? That seems to be about market value then.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Alejandro Rojas on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:52 pm

Not a Pirates fan, but Pittsburgh fans complain about everything. I bet folks will start saying Nutting made this signing to cover the dropping of $7 Million of Hanrahan's salary.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:52 pm

viva la ben wrote:Unless it was a one year 14 million dollar deal idk how you can criticize this signing.


I'm sure Dejan will find a way...
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:53 pm

If this were 2006 the Pirates rotation would lead the team to 95 wins easily.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:55 pm

Liriano will get hurt. Bank on it.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby DudeMan2766 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:01 pm

Alejandro Rojas wrote:Not a Pirates fan, but Pittsburgh fans complain about everything.


This organization gets zero benefit of doubt or leeway. People complaining doesnt bother me even if it is irrational. Not when it comes to this gong show thats been going on for 2 decades.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:03 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:
viva la ben wrote:Unless it was a one year 14 million dollar deal idk how you can criticize this signing.


I'm sure Dejan will find a way...


If they'd have kept PGK they wouldn't need any other starters.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:09 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Liriano will get hurt. Bank on it.


Way to go out on a limb there...
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Tim Thomasen on Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:15 pm

DudeMan2766 wrote:
Alejandro Rojas wrote:Not a Pirates fan, but Pittsburgh fans complain about everything.


This organization gets zero benefit of doubt or leeway. People complaining doesnt bother me even if it is irrational. Not when it comes to this gong show thats been going on for 2 decades.


With some of the things this organization has done, you really can't blame them.

That being said, although I don't like they got rid of Karstens, they signed Russell Martin and looks like there getting Liriano for a fair deal.

Believe me i'm not a believer in this club, but I can't complain too much about those transactions.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby MRandall25 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:29 pm

Letang Is The Truth wrote:
MRandall25 wrote:Liriano will get hurt. Bank on it.


Way to go out on a limb there...


:)
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby PhantomJB93 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:57 pm

Wasn't expecting Liriano, but I'm pleased with the signing. I don't care what they paid, it's always gonna cost more to get someone to come to the Pirates in FA, and it's better to complain about overpaying than not spending at all. It was getting to the point where I didn't expect any half decent SPs to be brought in, and Liriano at least has the upside to be good. Still would have liked to see Karstens tendered but I'm more confident now with Burnett, Wandy, Liriano, JMac, and possibly Cole by midseason.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby pfim on Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:42 pm

It's a bit of a gamble, not sure it makes a ton of sense to get rid of Karstens regardless of the signing. But the risk is mitigated by the price, it's a decent deal for a guy who is 29 and strikes out a ton of guys.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Idoit40fans on Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:31 am

Liriano still has more upside than anyone that spent time in the rotation last year. Its well worth the risk, especially over 2 years.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby ulf on Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:24 pm

Sounds like the bucs are close to sending Hanrahan to Boston. Yesterday I read that they were interested in Jose Iglesias. Not a bad return, he was rushed up pretty quickly, and had a better year in AAA the second time around. Still has no power, and only stole 13 bags last year.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby JS© on Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:57 pm

The Boston Red Sox are moving toward acquiring closer Joel Hanrahan from the Pittsburgh Pirates, according to multiple sources. However, one official cautioned that there was "still work to be done."

More On The Red Sox

Hanrahan saved a total of 76 games over the last two seasons for the Pirates and is a year away from free agency. With incumbent closer Andrew Bailey still a question mark after a season in which he was injured for most of the year, then pitched ineffectively, it makes sense that the Sox would explore bullpen upgrades.

It is unclear what the Pirates would be getting back in return. Pittsburgh has been looking for pitching, primarily starters, but just came to terms with Francisco Liriano.

One major league source said Pittsburgh is seeking a "significant return" for Hanrahan, an All-Star in each of the last two seasons. He earned $4.1 million in 2012 and can expect a significant bump in salary arbitration, to close to $7 million.


http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/i ... f14c5d6d5c

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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Bioshock on Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:01 pm

JS© wrote:
The Boston Red Sox are moving toward acquiring closer Joel Hanrahan from the Pittsburgh Pirates, according to multiple sources. However, one official cautioned that there was "still work to be done."

More On The Red Sox

Hanrahan saved a total of 76 games over the last two seasons for the Pirates and is a year away from free agency. With incumbent closer Andrew Bailey still a question mark after a season in which he was injured for most of the year, then pitched ineffectively, it makes sense that the Sox would explore bullpen upgrades.

It is unclear what the Pirates would be getting back in return. Pittsburgh has been looking for pitching, primarily starters, but just came to terms with Francisco Liriano.

One major league source said Pittsburgh is seeking a "significant return" for Hanrahan, an All-Star in each of the last two seasons. He earned $4.1 million in 2012 and can expect a significant bump in salary arbitration, to close to $7 million.


http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/i ... f14c5d6d5c

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What's wrong with this move? Why the facepalm? If they get good return then it's just a good trade for both sides.
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