Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Tim Thomasen on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:03 am

Troy Loney wrote:It's patchwork, if they knew they were going to be looking to unload hanrahan at $7M, they should have made that move 2 years ago. It seems has his moves are based on avoiding any public backlash.

I think that dominating 8-9 combo they had last year was one of the key driving factors to getting 16 games over 500. They're weaker in the 8th and 9th going forward, and that was essentially a cost cutting move. It's just a stupid move, especially in conjuction with bringing Liriano in to be the 3rd or 4th starter. He's going to tax the bullpen once a week cause he can't throw strikes.


And what's funny about that is he usually faces public backlash anyways because most of his deals turn out to be crap to begin with.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:06 am

Are we getting Mark Melancon? Because if so we did well in this trade- hes not far from hanrahan and has 4 years of control
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby MWB on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:08 am

Troy Loney wrote:It's patchwork, if they knew they were going to be looking to unload hanrahan at $7M, they should have made that move 2 years ago. It seems has his moves are based on avoiding any public backlash.

I think that dominating 8-9 combo they had last year was one of the key driving factors to getting 16 games over 500. They're weaker in the 8th and 9th going forward, and that was essentially a cost cutting move. It's just a stupid move, especially in conjuction with bringing Liriano in to be the 3rd or 4th starter. He's going to tax the bullpen once a week cause he can't throw strikes.


If they made the move two years ago they wouldn't have gotten any value at all.

If Melancon is part of the deal, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him put up the same type of numbers Hanrahan did here.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby ulf on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:14 am

From what I read, we're getting melancon as well.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:18 am

MWB wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:It's patchwork, if they knew they were going to be looking to unload hanrahan at $7M, they should have made that move 2 years ago. It seems has his moves are based on avoiding any public backlash.

I think that dominating 8-9 combo they had last year was one of the key driving factors to getting 16 games over 500. They're weaker in the 8th and 9th going forward, and that was essentially a cost cutting move. It's just a stupid move, especially in conjuction with bringing Liriano in to be the 3rd or 4th starter. He's going to tax the bullpen once a week cause he can't throw strikes.


If they made the move two years ago they wouldn't have gotten any value at all.

If Melancon is part of the deal, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him put up the same type of numbers Hanrahan did here.


At the trade deadline a couple years ago there was talk the Rangers wanted Hanrahan and Profar's name was thrown around. Obvioulsy that wasn't going to happen, but there was definitely ample time for NH to move Hanrahan for a legit asset. He didn't know we have a right handed Travis Snider.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:23 am

Melancon is 27 and has similar or even better stats than hanrahan at that age other than strikeouts. Far better walk rate for MM.

He and grilli would make a solid 8/9 combo, in whatever order

And MM will make 6.5 million less than hanny
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Troy Loney on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:33 am

Pretty sure Melancon sucked last year.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:40 am

Sucked in terms of ERA... whip was good as was walk rate
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby pfim on Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:15 pm

There was mention in the Boston Globe today that Franklin Morales could be the 4th guy from the Sox. No idea on the second guy from the Pirates. Again, if relievers are not that valuable, why do we need to trade for three of them?

A bit concerned now about who the second player is for the Pirates, though.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:45 pm

Morales came up as a starter. Id say he could still do it. Considering his past couple years, id say its hard to call him a starter or reliever. Pop
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Mr. Colby on Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:50 pm

2nd Pirate has got to be an outfielder. I'm hoping Presley
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby DudeMan2766 on Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:07 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:2nd Pirate has got to be an outfielder. I'm hoping Presley


Cutch :pop:
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby beerman on Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:32 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:2nd Pirate has got to be an outfielder. I'm hoping Presley


This would make me happy
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby ulf on Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:35 pm

I would be really happy with Morales. Great long guy, and could make some decent spot starts. Would fill the Lincoln role that we missed in the 2nd half.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:36 pm

One downside to trading Hanrahan is we lose his significant other:

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That would be the lady in the middle, not the elderly woman off to the side before anyone asks.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby FreeCandy44 on Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:48 pm

Average at best....
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:20 am

FreeCandy44 wrote:Average at best....


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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby FreeCandy44 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:05 pm

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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby jprolley on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:51 pm

2nd pirate is brock holt
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby ulf on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:53 pm

Not a fan, now that I know the details. I like Melancon and Sands, but not for Brock Holt too :/
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby FreeCandy44 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:56 pm

Aww :( why trade Holt?
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby thehockeyguru on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:02 pm

This was a bad trade.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby FreeCandy44 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:04 pm

If it came down to Holt or Barmas I can't see the reasoning.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby beerman on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:05 pm

DeJesus and Holt kinda seem like the same guy, hit well in the minors but not good enough defensively for SS, blocked at 2nd and 3rd by Walker and Pedro..

I'm good with the deal, I think Melancon will be a nice part of the pen going forward and for a good price. Hopefully they use some of the savings to bring someone else in. Almost has to be another deal coming somewhere with all the OF and first base types on the 40 man..
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby kovyfalcon27 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:07 pm

Oh god, here comes the uproar for trading a no pop utility player because he was able to hit over .300 for 5 games.
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