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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby tjand72 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:45 pm

It just occurred to me how thin the line is between murderer and a "tragic" incident. It's just the split second before/after the trigger is pulled for the second time. If he hadn't taken that last step, he'd be reviled by everyone for the rest of his life. Now, it's probably 50/50.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby IanMoran on Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:32 pm

tjand72 wrote:It just occurred to me how thin the line is between murderer and a "tragic" incident. It's just the split second before/after the trigger is pulled for the second time. If he hadn't taken that last step, he'd be reviled by everyone for the rest of his life. Now, it's probably 50/50.

I've thought not so much in that sense...

But more of a just how quickly a life (or in this case multiple lives) can change.

Right before that argument of her being out at a concert too late.... how drastically everything changed at that split second decision in anger.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby Rylan on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:38 am

RIP to both of the individuals involved.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby Pitts on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:51 am

IanMoran wrote:Yea, he's probably not a household name for anyone approaching 30. Idk what PS' :face: was for tbh

Uh, I'm 47 and a have a few of his tunes on my iPod, thank you. :)
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby Rylan on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:58 am

Wow Pitts you are old!(er than I thought)
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby JS© on Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:45 am

Pitts wrote:
IanMoran wrote:Yea, he's probably not a household name for anyone approaching 30. Idk what PS' :face: was for tbh

Uh, I'm 47 and a have a few of his tunes on my iPod, thank you. :)

I've heard of him but thought it was somebody different. I thought Trey Songz was somebody from the late 90s to early 2000s that was still doing tours in small clubs.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby canaan on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:41 am

Pitts wrote:
IanMoran wrote:Yea, he's probably not a household name for anyone approaching 30. Idk what PS' :face: was for tbh

Uh, I'm 47 and a have a few of his tunes on my iPod, thank you. :)

sounds like somebody had a syncing mishap with the kids' ipods :lol:
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby nocera on Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:51 pm

It's disturbing how these countdown shows are putting his photo up with his birth and death date as if it was some sort of unfortunate accident. He murdered somebody. Then selfishly took his own life. And he couldn't even do it privately. He had to do it in front of others and effect even more innocent people. The dude should not be given a hero's send off. How bout instead of showing his photo and years lived, we show a photo of the girl he killed.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby IanMoran on Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:54 pm

Pitts wrote:
IanMoran wrote:Yea, he's probably not a household name for anyone approaching 30. Idk what PS' :face: was for tbh

Uh, I'm 47 and a have a few of his tunes on my iPod, thank you. :)

Haha, I'm saying he's kind of in the inbetween stage of if someone over 27 would even know.

Decently popular so not like it'd be a shock, but he's also not "Kanye West" type of big that everyone has at least heard the name
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:02 pm

nocera wrote:It's disturbing how these countdown shows are putting his photo up with his birth and death date as if it was some sort of unfortunate accident. He murdered somebody. Then selfishly took his own life. And he couldn't even do it privately. He had to do it in front of others and effect even more innocent people. The dude should not be given a hero's send off. How bout instead of showing his photo and years lived, we show a photo of the girl he killed.


I agree with this. It's astounding how everyone in the media is neglecting the woman he killed in front of his own mother
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby nocera on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:02 pm

They're talking about it as if they died in a car accident.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby Rylan on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:10 pm

He's famous she isn't. That's all there is to it.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby llipgh2 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:12 pm

Word is breaking that a member of the Cleveland Browns groundkeeping crew committed suicide at their stadium. He was found hanging in the equipment shed by another employee.

WTF is going on?
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby DudeMan2766 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:12 pm

He's not even really famous. I no name LB from a terrible team. No ones heard of him before this.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby nocera on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:17 pm

Famous or not, he's a murderer.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby JS© on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:18 pm

Excellent decision by Kansas City Chiefs CEO Clark Hunt not to wear decals on team uniforms honoring Jovan Belcher

https://twitter.com/rolandsmartin/statu ... 1863060480

I can't believe somebody called him out for reporting a decision made by the team.

you should have kept this to yourself. All life is precious. Who are you to judge his? Why don't you tell that to his mother.

:face:
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby TheHammer24 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:20 pm

nocera wrote:It's disturbing how these countdown shows are putting his photo up with his birth and death date as if it was some sort of unfortunate accident. He murdered somebody. Then selfishly took his own life. And he couldn't even do it privately. He had to do it in front of others and effect even more innocent people. The dude should not be given a hero's send off. How bout instead of showing his photo and years lived, we show a photo of the girl he killed.

I tend to agree, nocera. I generally defend sympathetic views towards those who do "bad" things as a result of mental illness. I also think this guy had some serious issues beyond his own control. But it's a bit too soon to paint this guy as a victim. I credit the Chief who had a moment of silence for all victims of domestic violence. That tribute avoided casting this guy as a hero, but also fulfilled an obligation not to pretend nothing happened.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby TheHammer24 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:22 pm

JS© wrote:
Excellent decision by Kansas City Chiefs CEO Clark Hunt not to wear decals on team uniforms honoring Jovan Belcher

https://twitter.com/rolandsmartin/statu ... 1863060480

I can't believe somebody called him out for reporting a decision made by the team.

you should have kept this to yourself. All life is precious. Who are you to judge his? Why don't you tell that to his mother.

:face:

There's nothing wrong with "all life is precious" point of view. It is undoubtedly sad that something led this by-all-accounts normal guy to snap over a mundane argument, kill his baby's mother, and take his own life. But again, given his abhorrent conduct, he is undeserving of honor.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby columbia on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:25 pm

Why would you honor a murderer?
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby llipgh2 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:27 pm

columbia wrote:Why would you honor a murderer?
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby JS© on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:32 pm

here's nothing wrong with "all life is precious" point of view. It is undoubtedly sad that something led this by-all-accounts normal guy to snap over a mundane argument, kill his baby's mother, and take his own life. But again, given his abhorrent conduct, he is undeserving of honor.


the facepalm was more about the guy ripping the OP for reporting a decision made by the team.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby nocera on Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:05 pm

Of course he was mentally unstable. Most people who commit murder are.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby shmenguin on Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:27 pm

the best thing to do is to let this thing blow over with some acknowledgement, but as little as possible. i think the NFL and KC did a good job in this regard. the "HOW CAN THEY NOT CANCEL THE GAME!!!!!" outrage from the media is weak. it's just another way for people to incorrectly pile on goodell.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby shafnutz05 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:27 pm

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/02/report-belcher-shot-girlfriend-nine-times/

According to Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post, Kansas City policy are telling local media members that Belcher shot Kasandra Perkins nine times.
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Re: Chiefs player commits suicide at Arrowhead Stadium

Postby mac5155 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:44 pm

OMG. So sad
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