slappybrown wrote:Dickie Dunn wrote:slappybrown wrote:I think you're crazy if you believe that Tomlin's resume is superior to Cowher's at this point.
Better winning percentage (his winning percentage right now is the same as Cowher's through six seasons), same Super Bowl record, hasn't made a mess of AFC Championship games against lesser opponents, three division titles in five completed seasons. Tomlin has accomplished in five years what took Cowher 15 years to do.
Come talk to me when Tomlin posts 12 playoff seasons in 15 years, and makes 6 AFC champ games. This argument suggests that anything other than a Super Bowl appearance/win and the results are of little value. Only in PGH.
Rocco's point is pretty powerful as well.
Cowher made the playoffs 10 of his 15 seasons, not 12.
LeopardLetang wrote:Pavel Bure wrote:Tim Thomasen wrote:I hear the argument on the radio (and everytime that argument gets dismissed for good reason) that Tomlin only won because of Cowher's players. If that's the case, why didn't Cowher win more with Cowher's players?
People forget that despite all the good teams Cowher had, it took him 13 seasons to win the SB (you could make the case that we won because we got alot of favorable calls from the refs) and you and in the process lost a lot of big AFC title games at home, including one in 1994 where they lost to a very beatable Chargers team. Not to mention his last season he mailed it in
Tomlin comes in and within a span of five years has kept the team competitive and made two SB appearances and winning one.
To me, both are good but flawed coaches that I'm happy to say they coached our team.
Eh even if the Steelers beat that "very beatable" Chargers team the juggernaut of the Young/Rice 49ers loomed. It didn't matter who came out of the AFC that year. The 49ers were going to crush.
wholeheartedly disagree about crush. would have been a 10-13 point game instead of a 45 or whatever it was.
on the conversation as a whole, tomlin has roethlisberger. tomlin has roethlisberger. tomlin has roethlisberger.
he's a good coach, but, see above
Yea, Tomlin has Roethlisberger. Chuck Noll had Bradshaw. Walsh had Montana. Belicheck has Brady. Lombardi had Starr. Johnson had Aikman. McCarthy has Rodgers. Coughlin has Manning. Shanahan had Elway. Shula had Greise. Landry had Staubach. Oh hell look, Cowher had Roethlisberger as well and didn't win the Super Bowl until he had him. Its pretty damn easy to make a correlation between good coaches having good quarterbacks. Acting like Roethlisberger's existence makes Tomlin less of a coach is asinine.