Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Factorial on Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:57 am

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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby penny lane on Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:49 am

I can't understand if some folks see death too often, they become unemotional to murder?

If the thug culture comes to the NHL players, I will no longer support with my dollars.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Malkamaniac on Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:06 am

penny lane wrote:I can't understand if some folks see death too often, they become unemotional to murder?

If the thug culture comes to the NHL players, I will no longer support with my dollars.


I doubt that would happen. There's a race thing and upbringings comment somewhere within my post that wouldn't allow it to happen.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Froggy on Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:31 am

Take race out of it. Use class instead. Hockey is an expensive sport to get in to. Most players come from at least an upper middle class background. Thugs aren't very common in that tax bracket.

Hockey has Dbag mouth breathers instead
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:02 pm

Froggy wrote:Take race out of it. Use class instead. Hockey is an expensive sport to get in to. Most players come from at least an upper middle class background. Thugs aren't very common in that tax bracket.

Hockey has Dbag mouth breathers instead


Patrick Kane has no idea what you're talking about, but you're blocking his view of a girl he wants to hook up with so please sit down.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby newarenanow on Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:07 pm

I'm disappointed, but not suprised.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby FreeCandy44 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:28 pm

Former Steelers TE Wesley Saunders suspended 8 games for banned substance.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby JS© on Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:07 am

columbia wrote:If the NFL is trying to get me to further tune out, it's working.


It's not just you. There is quite a few people on this board that have made a similar comment.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby JS© on Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:10 am

FreeCandy44 wrote:Former Steelers TE Wesley Saunders suspended 8 games for banned substance.


Dude has a thing for starting his season on the suspended list.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:07 pm

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-a ... atching-12

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-a ... atching-11

Against 2 TE sets the Steelers gave up around 6 yards/play, which is near the bottom of the league. Against 3 WR sets they gave up 4.4 yards/play (tied for first). After years of the blueprint against the Steelers being to spread them out and put multiple receivers on the field, it looks like they solved that problem only to now be vulnerable to tight ends. Such is life.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby columbia on Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:14 pm

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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:27 pm

Got the Football Outsiders Almanac. Digging into it now- they have the Steelers projected at 8.7 wins, with a 47.1% chance at making the postseason and a 6% chance of winning the Super Bowl. That's optimistic. I'll post more interesting stats as I find them.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:31 pm

The Steelers could squeak back into the playoffs and keep the pattern alive. If they don’t, they should be fully loaded for 2014: this year’s rookies; whatever stars emerge from the Worilds brigade; a gelled line of Pouncey, David DeCastro, and maybe Mike Adams; plus whoever they get in the 2014 draft. Projecting the Steelers for the 2013 playoffs is tricky. Projecting them for the 2014 playoffs, barring the wreck of the good ship Roethlisberger, is downright easy.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby IanMoran on Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:33 pm

Man, I really don't understand the steeler hate in pgh this offseason.. At all...
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:03 pm

Quick stats:

- Dropped from running empty sets 14% of the time to 5.6% from 2011-12
- Allowed 36.8% DVOA on shotgun runs (that's really bad)
- The only RB who was above average was Rainey, and he's off the team
- Mike Wallace had an atrocious contract year- 54% catch rate, -19 Yards Above Replacement, -17.4% DVOA
- Heath Miller was a beast (21% DVOA)
- Colon had 12 penalties; Starks/Foster/Pouncey/Adams/Gilbert combined for 13 penalties
- Adjusted line yards lower in 2012 than it was in 2010 and 2011 when the amazing Colon was hurt, and were 31st in the league at runs up the middle
-Adams allowed 6 sacks
- Foote was a disaster in pass coverage
- During the first six weeks of the year Ike gave up around 8 yards/pass; that dropped to 3 yards/pass from Weeks 7-13
-Troy was really good in pass coverage, in part because teams only threw at him 11 times
-Defense was better against play-action passes than regular passes
-Offense started drives on average at their own 25.1 yard line, 26th in the league; defense was 29th in the league in terms of average drive start
-Defense had 6th fewest broken tackles
-Ed Reed had the 2nd most tackles broken of all defenders
-Dwyer and Redman were both in the top 20 of broken tackles (doesn't say how many of those were behind the line after Colon or Foster whiffed on a block)
-Lewis was 2nd in the NFL in passes defensed; Ike tied for 15th
-J.J. Watt is either on steroids or not human
-No Steelers in the top 20 of QB knockdowns
-Andrew Luck led the league in QB hits taken; BRoeth not in the top 20; though he was 8th in knockdowns/pass
-Without pressure, BRoeth averaged 7 yards/pass; with pressure he averaged 3.6 yards/pass
-Jimmy Graham led the league in drops; Welker was 2nd-
-Ike, Lewis and Allen were all in the top 20 in Fewest Yards Allowed After Catch
-Teams that ran up the middle at Hampton averaged 1.4 yards/carry, which seems good until you see they averaged -.2 against Watt
-Pouncey blew 17 blocks, tied for 19th amongst interior lineman
-Heath led the league in blown blocks by a non-lineman; I'll have to check and see if they've kept that stat in past years
-Colon's 12 penalties were 3rd most for an offensive player behind Doug Free and Breno Giacomini
- Lewis committed 8 penalties, 12th most for a defensive player
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:06 pm

IanMoran wrote:Man, I really don't understand the steeler hate in pgh this offseason.. At all...


They went 8-8 last year, they're older, and here's what happened in free agency:

Key additions: QB Bruce Gradkowski, RB LaRod Stephens-Howling, CB William Gay, TE Matt Spaeth, OT Guy Whimper

Key losses: WR Mike Wallace, CB Keenan Lewis, G Willie Colon, RB Rashard Mendenhall, OLB James Harrison, NT Casey Hampton, OT Max Starks, S Ryan Mundy, C Doug Legursky, RB Chris Rainey, S Will Allen, QB Charlie Batch, QB Byron Leftwich


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If BRoeth and the o-line stays healthy and Jones has a great rookie year then they'll be good. History says that expecting one of those 3 to happen is unlikely; all 3 hitting would be like hitting the lottery.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:26 pm

The beginning of the Browns chapter is fantastic.

If an NFL team were the subject of a classical Greek tragedy,
the seeds of the team’s downfall would be present from the
moment of a new king’s (owner’s) coronation. The very traits
that won the crown are the ones that doom the kingdom, and
triumph only presages tragedy.
If an NFL team were run by the typical talk-radio caller, it
would change both the general manager and the head coach
every two years or so. The roster would be a jumble of last
year’s failed projects and next year’s fleeting hopes. There
would always be two quarterbacks: the young prospect who
cannot quite put it together, and the stubbly veteran who
proves irresistible after some fluky relief appearances. The
team would forever pursue whims, never building anything
with the potential to last.
If Euripides collaborated with Sid the Squid from Shaker
Heights to create a football team, that team would be the
Cleveland Browns.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby JS© on Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:51 pm

IanMoran wrote:Man, I really don't understand the steeler hate in pgh this offseason.. At all...


As Rocco mentioned, they are older, still injury prone, and while other teams around them have attempted to improve their situation, the Steelers added some retreads and some wild-cards through the draft. This was an 8 win team that hasn't filled any of the holes at receiver, running back or anywhere on defense.

I think even 8.7 wins is a bit on the high side. If they go .500 again, I'll be more than surprised. Players like Ben and Polamalu are running with high mileage on them and are both reaching the point of their career where their durability will be questioned (if it isn't already.) I'm expecting at least one to miss an extended period of time, like a month-plus.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby FreeCandy44 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:53 pm

Can we all agree that Guy Whimper might be the best name/player in Steelers history?
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby shafnutz05 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:06 pm

Lol Rocco, I need to get that almanac
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby JS© on Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:08 pm

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1936 first round pick (third overall) William (Bill) Shakespeare says hello.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_NFL_Draft
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:13 pm

Per the twitter Marcus Gilbert carted off during conditioning drills
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Grunthy on Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:25 pm

JS© wrote:
IanMoran wrote:Man, I really don't understand the steeler hate in pgh this offseason.. At all...


As Rocco mentioned, they are older, still injury prone, and while other teams around them have attempted to improve their situation, the Steelers added some retreads and some wild-cards through the draft. This was an 8 win team that hasn't filled any of the holes at receiver, running back or anywhere on defense.

I think even 8.7 wins is a bit on the high side. If they go .500 again, I'll be more than surprised. Players like Ben and Polamalu are running with high mileage on them and are both reaching the point of their career where their durability will be questioned (if it isn't already.) I'm expecting at least one to miss an extended period of time, like a month-plus.



The Steelers are in salary cap hell right now. Have to just endure this season and relief will start coming next year.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rocco on Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:51 pm

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/55566092/

The Steelers were one of the worst teams in the league at running up the middle, averaging 3.44 line yards per carry according to Football Outsiders. Yet they ran up the middle constantly: 75% of their rushes went between the guards, the highest figure in the NFL and well above the league average of 52%. The Steelers kept doing something they were terrible at, over and over again. "It makes it hard when you are trying to run a power, and there are eight, nine guys in the box," Pouncey said.


After ditching Arians for calling plays over and over that never worked (in his case, the bubble screens) the new guy did the same thing, but with a different play.
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Re: Official 2012-13 Pittsburgh Steelers Off-Season Thread

Postby Rylan on Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:56 pm

They didn't have running backs that could get the corner outside though. I don't know the solution, but its not like they had the personnel to accomplish much aside from pound it inside.
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