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Re: NFL

Postby offsides on Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:04 am

Fast B wrote:
offsides wrote:
Grunthy wrote:hahahahaha, what an idiot that bronco was.


Seems like players are more concerned with some sort of celebration\dance then actually making good sensible plays.

I miss the old NFL.


And even if you wanted to celebrate (which I think you've earned for a pick-six), why wouldn't you at least make sure to get into the end zone first? Just idiotic.


I can remember when the team came first. After a TD, a player would hand the ball to the ref and jog to the bench to celebrate with his team. Everything is "look what I did" now.
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Re: NFL

Postby blackjack68 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:18 am

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Re: NFL

Postby FreeCandy44 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:20 am

offsides wrote:
Fast B wrote:
offsides wrote:
Grunthy wrote:hahahahaha, what an idiot that bronco was.


Seems like players are more concerned with some sort of celebration\dance then actually making good sensible plays.

I miss the old NFL.


And even if you wanted to celebrate (which I think you've earned for a pick-six), why wouldn't you at least make sure to get into the end zone first? Just idiotic.


I can remember when the team came first. After a TD, a player would hand the ball to the ref and jog to the bench to celebrate with his team. Everything is "look what I did" now.

Doesn't Larry Fitzgerald just hand the ball to the ref after a touchdown or first down?
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Re: NFL

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:39 am

Staggy wrote:The fact that I took Manning over Brady in my fantasy draft and each of his passes looks like a Tebow ball with accuracy has me terrified.


How bout now?
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Re: NFL

Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:05 am

In another case of media sensationalism, Riley Cooper's fight during practice is being made into a much bigger story than it deserves.
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Re: NFL

Postby viva la ben on Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:16 am

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Re: NFL

Postby Staggy on Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:30 am

Letang Is The Truth wrote:
Staggy wrote:The fact that I took Manning over Brady in my fantasy draft and each of his passes looks like a Tebow ball with accuracy has me terrified.


How bout now?


Feeling just a little bit better about it :lol:
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Re: NFL

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:31 am

The silence in my office that sits less than 10 miles from M&T Bank Stadium is pretty delicious.
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Re: NFL

Postby JS© on Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:16 pm

I wonder if Ray Lewis thinks this game was a conspiracy too.
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Re: NFL

Postby blackjack68 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:24 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:The silence in my office that sits less than 10 miles from M&T Bank Stadium is pretty delicious.

It's gotta be great. Now if the Steelers can win, it will be better.
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Re: NFL

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:39 pm

I can't remember who caught the ball, but it was 3rd and 12 and Flacco through a 3ish yard pass to his left and the corner tried to intercept it instead of just tackling the guy for 4th and 9 or so on the Ravens 20. The guy went for like 25 or 30 yards to around midfield. I feel like that is basically the embodiment of Joe Flacco's success.
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Re: NFL

Postby Crankshaft on Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:43 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:I can't remember who caught the ball, but it was 3rd and 12 and Flacco through a 3ish yard pass to his left and the corner tried to intercept it instead of just tackling the guy for 4th and 9 or so on the Ravens 20. The guy went for like 25 or 30 yards to around midfield. I feel like that is basically the embodiment of Joe Flacco's success.


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Re: NFL

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:46 pm

I'm not gonna try to take too much away from him because I thought the same thing about Eli for a long time until just accepting that he's good, but maybe its the fact that he will never pass the eye test as a good QB that lulls defenses into a false sense of bravado.
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Re: NFL

Postby Pitt87 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:51 pm

When QB's only passed the ball 20 times a game, you had to be very special to be good. Now that the average is more like 30 and teams routinely throw the ball 40 times you can be less good and have good results, stats, etc. John Elway Joe Flacco is not, but he's at least as good as Ben Roethlisberger and ten or so other NFL QB's.
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Re: NFL

Postby Grunthy on Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:59 pm

Big Ben is better than Flacco. I would say by a pretty good margin.
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Re: NFL

Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:01 pm

One thing I've noticed with Flacco is he is very good at throwing deep passes. He is accurate to the point where the ball is caught on the fly without much effort, or PI is called on the defense. It does seem that a lot of his WRs are completely wide open when they catch the ball no matter the distance, but the ball is at least put in a position so the WRs are able to produce significant YAC. Flacco's biggest weakness is that once he starts getting pressure he falls apart more quickly than other QBs.
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Re: NFL

Postby shmenguin on Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:15 pm

in the regular season, flacco is the exact median of NFL quarterbacks. and in this era, unless you're a big kyle orton fan, that means he's flat out bad.

but he did what he did in the playoffs last year, which deserves some credit - but certainly not as much as he's getting. it's hard to say without opening myself up for sour grapes accusations, but those stats weren't earned.
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Re: NFL

Postby shmenguin on Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:16 pm

Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:One thing I've noticed with Flacco is he is very good at throwing deep passes. He is accurate to the point where the ball is caught on the fly without much effort, or PI is called on the defense. It does seem that a lot of his WRs are completely wide open when they catch the ball no matter the distance, but the ball is at least put in a position so the WRs are able to produce significant YAC. Flacco's biggest weakness is that once he starts getting pressure he falls apart more quickly than other QBs.


he may be the biggest pansy in the league when he's under pressure. it's almost comical how he reacts when he knows he's about to get hit
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Re: NFL

Postby Rylan on Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:20 pm

shmenguin wrote:in the regular season, flacco is the exact median of NFL quarterbacks. and in this era, unless you're a big kyle orton fan, that means he's flat out bad.

but he did what he did in the playoffs last year, which deserves some credit - but certainly not as much as he's getting. it's hard to say without opening myself up for sour grapes accusations, but those stats weren't earned.


I agree with this to an extent. He did what he did and it is noted. But, I cannot recall a QB that has been luckier in his career. It always seems things fall into place for a guy that is average at best.
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Re: NFL

Postby Troy Loney on Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:33 pm

I think roethlisberger and flacco are in the same tier. They both bring good things and bad to the table, but are both above average and with the correct supporting cast can do great things. I think Manning is close to this tier as well. But I don't think their marginal value at the QB position justifies their contract. The problem is that the QB position is such a vital role, they are able to handcuff the team into giving them huge contracts. So the cost of those contracts results in a weaker supporting cast, and a far less chance of a super bowl.

I think you ride those guys through their rookie contracts and let someone else give them the huge contract. Giving huge money to guys like Eli Manning, Flacco and Roethlisberger immediately lowers the ceiling of the team.
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Re: NFL

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:02 pm

Having someone like that on an inflated contract is a better option than having someone like Christian Ponder as your QB though.
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Re: NFL

Postby ulf on Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:05 pm

Pitt87 wrote: When QB's only passed the ball 20 times a game, you had to be very special to be good. Now that the average is more like 30 and teams routinely throw the ball 40 times you can be less good and have good results, stats, etc. John Elway Joe Flacco is not, but he's at least as good as Ben Roethlisberger and ten or so other NFL QB's.


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Re: NFL

Postby Troy Loney on Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:09 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:Having someone like that on an inflated contract is a better option than having someone like Christian Ponder as your QB though.



I think it's debatable. You can't sustain success with a QB on that contract, If I were a GM i'd rather take my chances on developing someone like Kaepernick or Russell Wilson and building windows at the front. Basically as soon as Flacco signed that contract the Ravens closed their superbowl window.

Pittsburgh had some good years at the front end of the Roethlisberger contract, but they aren't going to compete for another superbowl with him at QB.
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Re: NFL

Postby Kaizer on Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:10 pm

the steeler colored glasses in here are strong.
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Re: NFL

Postby skullman80 on Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:12 pm

Troy Loney wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Having someone like that on an inflated contract is a better option than having someone like Christian Ponder as your QB though.



I think it's debatable. You can't sustain success with a QB on that contract, If I were a GM i'd rather take my chances on developing someone like Kaepernick or Russell Wilson and building windows at the front. Basically as soon as Flacco signed that contract the Ravens closed their superbowl window.

Pittsburgh had some good years at the front end of the Roethlisberger contract, but they aren't going to compete for another superbowl with him at QB.


Kaepernick and Russell are both gonna get huge contracts after their rookie deals are up if they keep playing the way they are. Ponder sucks, and isnt gonna get a huge deal but he isn't gonna get you to a SB even with Peterson as your running back.

QB's get big money. It's just how it goes. It's the value of the position.
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