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Re: NFL

Postby pittsoccer33 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:32 am

If you go back before the 90s it was mostly marching bands. The two years before Jackson were Gloria Estefan and New Kids on the Block.
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Re: NFL

Postby columbia on Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:23 am

Future HOFer Hoyer gets the job in Cleveland:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... /14328039/
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Re: NFL

Postby newarenanow on Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:25 am

Troy Loney wrote:I just can't imagine any national act willing to do something like this. Any big scale performer would be way too egotistical to agree to pay the NFL future income based on their "exposure".


Agree. Read an article where the artist being reached out to have a "chilly" reception.
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Re: NFL

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy on Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:25 am

WE WANT REX
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Re: NFL

Postby slappybrown on Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:29 am

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Re: NFL

Postby count2infinity on Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:32 am

I can see it easly becoming flop city and eventually we'll have to call it American Futball
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Re: NFL

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy on Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:32 am

There have been 107 defensive holding penalties, compared to 20 at this point in the 2013 preseason.


ugh. Defensive holding is a garbage call and they called it too many times last year already.
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Re: NFL

Postby Troy Loney on Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:45 am

is this only for defensive holding? can you imagine if they start wanting to be more strict with offensive holding?
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Re: NFL

Postby slappybrown on Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:58 am

Yes, defensive holding is the focus. If it was 5 yards but no first, I could live with it. It's a total bailout for the offense. QB could be running around with his back to the line of scrimmage in the process of being sacked, someone has a handful of jersey 30 yards downfield, and you get a first down? Lame.
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Re: NFL

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:01 pm

The NFL is the new general motors.
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Re: NFL

Postby shafnutz05 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:30 pm

A 478% increase in defensive holding and illegal contact.....Jesus
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Re: NFL

Postby columbia on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:31 pm

What exactly is the point of doing this?
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Re: NFL

Postby tifosi77 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:33 pm

This illegal contact thing is a bridge too far, imo. As a fan of defensive football and big hits, I already think that the League has gone way further than necessary with regard to tightening up the way the game is played. But I think the increase in penalties for things that frankly shouldn't be penalties might be enough for John Q Fanguy to feel aggrieved as well. Games are taking forever to get through.
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Re: NFL

Postby shmenguin on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:36 pm

columbia wrote:What exactly is the point of doing this?

train defenses to allow more passing yards and more touch downs.
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Re: NFL

Postby columbia on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:37 pm

shmenguin wrote:
columbia wrote:What exactly is the point of doing this?

train defenses to allow more passing yards and more touch downs.


Yeah, I mean, I know why...but do people really think there isn't enough scoring in the NFL?
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Re: NFL

Postby PensFanInDC on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:40 pm

slappybrown wrote:Yes, defensive holding is the focus. If it was 5 yards but no first, I could live with it. It's a total bailout for the offense. QB could be running around with his back to the line of scrimmage in the process of being sacked, someone has a handful of jersey 30 yards downfield, and you get a first down? Lame.


Ah...the Joe Flacco offense...
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Re: NFL

Postby shmenguin on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:49 pm

columbia wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
columbia wrote:What exactly is the point of doing this?

train defenses to allow more passing yards and more touch downs.


Yeah, I mean, I know why...but do people really think there isn't enough scoring in the NFL?


i think they did this about 10 years ago after the patriots finished giving the colts WRs proctology exams for 60 minutes in the AFC title game. purists didn't like changing the rules (or how they're enforced), but i think the on field product is better as a result. i imagine this is the same thing happening now. we'll see if it works, or if D-backs stick to their guns.
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Re: NFL

Postby mikey287 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:51 pm

I doubt they call it this strict as the season goes on...maybe the first week or two, they'll get sick of hearing players and coaches shouting at them, they'll ease off and it will just regress back to what is more normal from there...same thing happened after the 2003 AFC Championship game...Colts get groped to death (I mean, Christ, they didn't even punt in the first two playoff games I don't think), league vows to make it better, it slips back...

Same deal I'm sure...
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Re: NFL

Postby shmenguin on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:54 pm

the league didn't slip back, imo. this is why every year a new QB, even medium grade ones, can challenge passing records.

maybe they want a league where there are more than a handful of capable quarterbacks. you make defenses ease up, and mediocrity looks a lot better.
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Re: NFL

Postby mikey287 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:01 pm

It didn't slip back far, but this "no touching! no touching!" thing won't hold up...I think the league as a whole is just finding that as the position of QB progresses (it has progressed quite a bit in the past 20 years, compared to RB...also, you look at the last 10 or so years and the arrival of the new wave of athletic TEs that are essentially fourth WRs but against much easier matchups (LBs)) and schemes to move the ball through the air with quick hitters and misdirection and pick plays permeate every playbook, it's no wonder. The workhorse RB is dying, QBs are more precise than ever...the game is softer and they do call things pretty tight, I agree...but there are always peaks to this that are anomalous...

Same thing in hockey...look at power play opportunities from 2004 to 2006 to 2007 to today. Just the nature of things...
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Re: NFL

Postby shmenguin on Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:07 pm

mikey287 wrote:It didn't slip back far, but this "no touching! no touching!" thing won't hold up...I think the league as a whole is just finding that as the position of QB progresses (it has progressed quite a bit in the past 20 years, compared to RB...also, you look at the last 10 or so years and the arrival of the new wave of athletic TEs that are essentially fourth WRs but against much easier matchups (LBs)) and schemes to move the ball through the air with quick hitters and misdirection and pick plays permeate every playbook, it's no wonder. The workhorse RB is dying, QBs are more precise than ever...the game is softer and they do call things pretty tight, I agree...but there are always peaks to this that are anomalous...

Same thing in hockey...look at power play opportunities from 2004 to 2006 to 2007 to today. Just the nature of things...


yeah, the NHL in 06/07 was the first thing that came to mind. somehow, though, the NFL has trained their officials to generally call the games the same way the whole year. they never figured that out in hockey.
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Re: NFL

Postby Troy Loney on Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:08 pm

I would say the evolution is more on that defensive side. I'd say that when the coordinator makes the right defensive call, fewer QB's & receivers are able to beat correct coverage.
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Re: NFL

Postby slappybrown on Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:10 pm

The reaction to big hits and leading with the helmet I can live with, and I can even live with the defensive holding call becoming as commonplace as it has in the past decade (leaving aside this preseason). If they would simply make it 5 yards and no first, it addresses the issue without overcompensating the offense.
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Re: NFL

Postby slappybrown on Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:11 pm

Troy Loney wrote:I would say the evolution is more on that defensive side. I'd say that when the coordinator makes the right defensive call, fewer QB's & receivers are able to beat correct coverage.


I disagree with this very much Troy.
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Re: NFL

Postby slappybrown on Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:15 pm

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlm45fgi ... teelers-6/

14th most valuable NFL franchise according to Forbes. Cowboys are worth 3.2 billion.
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