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Re: NFL

Postby JS© on Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:06 pm

What's Russian for "incomplete"?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... or-2-games

For now, Tebow's football opportunities are limited. The CFL isn't interested … but Gene Simmons is! And so, too, are the Moscow Black Storm, a Russian team competing in the American Football Championship of Russia on Sept. 28.

“We have offered him $1 million for two games,” Black Storm owner Mikhail Zaltsman told Russia Beyond The Headlines (via CBS Connecticut).

“I talked with him personally and he wanted to go,” Zaltsman said. “[His agents are] thinking of using him as a motivational speaker. They don't want him to play football.”
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Re: NFL

Postby JS© on Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:21 pm

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Re: NFL

Postby count2infinity on Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:22 pm

who's next? Bridgewater? Manziel?
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Re: NFL

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:27 pm

Manziel is exactly what the browns need to bring back my hatred for them.
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Re: NFL

Postby shmenguin on Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:28 pm

Its possible that Richardson just isn't as good as he should be . From his college tape, I thought he was a sure thing, but there's nothing about his pro game that makes me think he's going to be a top tier guy. And we're talking about NFL running backs here. In year 2, they're pretty much at their peak

But it's also possible the browns front office is incompetent.
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Re: NFL

Postby Spangler on Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:42 pm

Browns ran Richardson 13 times week 1 when their offense was geared toward him.

I'm leaning on the Browns being terrible.

I might be biased because I have him on my fantasy team.
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Re: NFL

Postby FreeCandy44 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:45 pm

Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:

That was spectacular
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Re: NFL

Postby JS© on Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:50 pm

shmenguin wrote:Its possible that Richardson just isn't as good as he should be . From his college tape, I thought he was a sure thing, but there's nothing about his pro game that makes me think he's going to be a top tier guy. And we're talking about NFL running backs here. In year 2, they're pretty much at their peak

But it's also possible the browns front office is incompetent.



Somebody brought up his yards per carry (about 3.5 per) and his yards after contact (about 1.5, which was one of the worst in the league). Maybe they see something that we don't. Even one of his own teammates said
“Trent has some things he needs to figure out before he becomes a dominant player in the league.”, which could mean anything from he's new to he's not improving his game.
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Re: NFL

Postby Kraftster on Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:01 am

FWIW the LaCanfora article on CBS suggests that front offices league wide loved this deal for the Browns.
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Re: NFL

Postby Staggy on Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:57 am

Yeah I think it's a good deal for the Browns. They're going to suck until they get a real quarterback. Trent Richardson isn't going to be the guy to push them over the edge. Running backs generally peak years 2-4, so the Browns likely wouldn't even get a chance to be competitive during his best years. If they can flip him for a mid first round pick then they would have 2 shots to get a guy like Bridgewater, Boyd, or Manziel in the draft.

I like the deal from the Colts' perspective as well, it gives Luck a nice weapon.
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Re: NFL

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:58 am

When he was in the lineup, he was pretty dominant last year. He's pretty amazing considering that he's the only offensive weapon the browns had.
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Re: NFL

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:08 am

Idoit40fans wrote:When he was in the lineup, he was pretty dominant last year. He's pretty amazing considering that he's the only offensive weapon the browns had.


Yeah, I am 90% certain that it's the team, not the player.

With that said, in a vacuum, this deal makes sense for a Browns team that isn't close to contending for the next few years. But this is also a forced result of their horrible choice to draft Brandon Weeden, a 28 year old QB at 22nd overall. Weeden, who has sucked since he arrived on scene, is now about to turn 30. It's definitely par for the course for a franchise that has done an abysmal job drafting and developing QB talent since the beginning.

Thing is, with Cameron, Richardson, etc, they had some offensive talent. But Weeden inspires confidence in no one. They will surely waste that 1st round pick next year on another shaky QB prospect.
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Re: NFL

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:12 am

Yeah, they aren't as far from being competitive as people act. They seem to be simply a QB from being good. Taking a little time away from that defense and they would suddenly jump up to being one of the better defenses around.
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Re: NFL

Postby columbia on Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:23 am

This Cleveland writer isn't too broken up over the trade:
http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/ind ... ent_r.html
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Re: NFL

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:26 am

wow
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Re: NFL

Postby Troy Loney on Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:28 am

Maybe they'd trade joe thomas to the steelers.
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Re: NFL

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:55 am

Im not ususally pro career ending/life altering injuries, but I'd love to see someone take out Suh's knees and leave him walking with a cane or possibly not walking at all for the rest of his life.
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Re: NFL

Postby Dickie Dunn on Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:19 am

Browns 1st round picks since 1999:

1999 Tim Couch
2000 Courtney Brown
2001 Gerard Warren
2002 William Green
2003 Jeff Faine
2004 Kellen Winslow II
2005 Braylon Edwards
2006 Kamerion Wimbley
2007 Joe Thomas
2007 Brady Quinn
2009 Alex Mack
2010 Joe Haden
2011 Phil Taylor
2012 Trent Richardson
2012 Brandon Weeden
2013 Barkevious Mingo


Impressive list.
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Re: NFL

Postby JS© on Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:27 am

Idoit40fans wrote:Im not ususally pro career ending/life altering injuries, but I'd love to see someone take out Suh's knees and leave him walking with a cane or possibly not walking at all for the rest of his life.


I'd normally say that's some pretty harsh stuff, but this is Suh we're talking about.

I'll allow it.
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Re: NFL

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:31 am

I never had a problem with him his first year or so, but it turns out he's not young, reckless, and emotional. He is apparently just sub-human.
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Re: NFL

Postby pfim on Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:24 am

Idoit40fans wrote:Yeah, they aren't as far from being competitive as people act. They seem to be simply a QB from being good. Taking a little time away from that defense and they would suddenly jump up to being one of the better defenses around.


That's a long way from happening, though.
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Re: NFL

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:27 am

but now they are a franchise RB and good QB from being good
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Re: NFL

Postby Troy Loney on Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:29 am

I don't think Richardson is a franchise back.
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Re: NFL

Postby JoseCuervo on Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:29 am

pfim wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Yeah, they aren't as far from being competitive as people act. They seem to be simply a QB from being good. Taking a little time away from that defense and they would suddenly jump up to being one of the better defenses around.


That's a long way from happening, though.


Potentially one year. They were already going to get a top pick for a QB, so now they added an additional low end pick. Now they'll just have a QB with no supporting offensive players.
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Re: NFL

Postby pfim on Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:36 am

JoseCuervo wrote:
pfim wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Yeah, they aren't as far from being competitive as people act. They seem to be simply a QB from being good. Taking a little time away from that defense and they would suddenly jump up to being one of the better defenses around.


That's a long way from happening, though.


Potentially one year. They were already going to get a top pick for a QB, so now they added an additional low end pick. Now they'll just have a QB with no supporting offensive players.


Even if they luck out and get a top pick, QB isn't the strongest going into the draft. Then, even if you get an Andrew Luck or RGIII type it's going to take more than one year to turn it around.

Just remembered that the Browns gave up 3 picks to move up one spot to get Richardson. I realize that there is new management, but those are the types of decisions that kill your rebuild.
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